The phenomenon of ‘mirroring’

[Vyana]

I just read the guest essay %ldquoThe phenomenon of %lsquomirroring%rsquo%rdquo by Danijel Turina and what he describes is exactly how I perceive what is happening to me. Therefore I just wonder if anybody knows if he has written more on this subject, i.e. in some of his books or at some web conference.

[Mystress]

  What more did you want to know?

: I just read the guest essay %ldquoThe phenomenon of %lsquomirroring%rsquo%rdquo by Danijel Turina and what he describes is exactly how I perceive what is happening to me. Therefore I just wonder if anybody knows if he has written more on this subject, i.e. in some of his books or at some web conference.

[Vyana]

:   What more did you want to know?

Well, actually a lot!

At least since I was 16 years old, I have often been having feelings which at least do not seem to originate from within me but from other people. Sometimes they have been really positive, sometimes they have been really bad. I most often did not consciously think of it that way, although I was at some level aware of what was happening, but at the NLP coach course it became very obvious to me that I became nervous for no reason when somebody else was to perform, and afterwards admitted she felt really nervous about it. At one occasion there was also this girl who had an energy field that was so thick an unpleasant that I felt it almost physically when she stepped close to me to tell me she had decided not to have lunch with the other course participants. (I spontaneously got the impression that her kundalini was awake but that she had a lot of suppressed emotions coming up.) Afterwards she told me, she had felt so bad that she had had to go away for herself instead of participating in the lunch. Later on, I noticed I felt really bad in the presence of some other course participants and did not know how to handle it.

Danijel describes a few versions of mirroring:
(a) situations where differences in the span of communicating peoples abilities to understand and feel creates communication problems;
(b) a %ldquopure%rdquo person merely reflects the state of an impure person;
(c) an %ldquoimpure%rdquo person exploits a purer one by means of manipulation;
(d) two impure astral bodies intensify each other%rsquos impurities, but different ones;
(e) the presence of %ldquoa strong, pure individual%rdquo makes all the impurities in the astral bodies of other people more visible; and they start to accuse him of all the things that have been stirred up in them.

My first question is how to distinguish between these phenomena.

When it comes to the first situation (a), I think I can understand enough of the basis of this to explore the phenomenon further. The same goes, at least to some extant, for situation (c). I have seen this happen and I also think I have experienced it myself.

The other situations I have difficulties to relate to my experiences in a distinguished way. How do I know for sure when I deal with a %ldquopure%rdquo person who casts his light on my impurities (e) or an %ldquoimpure%rdquo person whose impurities I reflect (b) or a situation of both (d). For instances, the person I perceived as most likely to be responsible for my bad feelings in the presence of a group where she participated claimed she was relieved of in principle all her karmic garbage and that people perceived her like a saint. Still, that was not how she appeared to me, and she also did not show any of the usual signs of a spiritual awakening (e.g. the feeling of energy around her; the naturally relaxed and %ldquofresh%rdquo way of %ldquobeing%rdquo; physical symptoms of heat ascending up the spine etc).

The situation (d) would be a possible explanation to at least parts of my bullying experiences. E.g. it would explain some false accusations which appear as rather in sane. I don%rsquot perceive myself as very %ldquopure%rdquo. In fact, I am aware of enough impurities to wonder what more the shadow could really have to revile. But I am certainly awake (and have been so to some extent at least since my early teens) and this might be enough to create such an effect, especially if the impurities I have been working on have also been perceived by others (I am thinking of the girl mentioned above with the extremely thick energy field). But how do I know if this is really the case and, if so, what can I do about it? This is my second question.

My third question is how to handle situations where I am overwhelmed by negative emotions which I perceive as belonging to somebody else. Of course, I have some techniques for that. But now, Danijel recommends %ldquodisowning such states%rdquo, a technique which he calls to %ldquoexercised detachment%rdquo. I would like to know more about how this is to be done.

[Eileen]

Thank you for asking these questions.  I am experiencing similar things as you describe.  In fact, I've found that going ANYWHERE in public is causing me to perceive energy coming from all directions, 'messing' with my own energy field.  At first, I took it as energy attacks until I realized that nobody was doing anything but just going about life!  How can everyone at Walmart possibly have a reason to 'attack me!'

So when I figured out that nobody was attacking me, then I realized that I can't do anything but just allow the energy to be what it is and to adapt to it.  Stay grounded.  And what happens is that I feel my crown chakra open and I get pretty foofy in the head and I'm sort of lost in this state of neutral contentment.  I'm buzzed.  I would say that I've become much more compassionate toward people.

The real immersion in this was when I spent an entire day in the Emergency Room ...recently...(Waiting with hubby; not as a sick/injured person) getting bombarded by literally crowds of people; some who were drunk, emotionally screwed up, physically and psychologically and emotionally experiencing all ranges of suffering and humanity.  It was a very dizzying and sobering experience and it helped me tremendously.  None of that energy hurt me.  It was very strong and disruptive for me, but it only seemed to provide me with a platform for bliss and compassion.

I'm beginning to think that literally everything is just exactly what we make it.  Not that I know so much, but at this point in my journey it seems that this may be so.  I've experienced that reflection thing very drastically...and it  continues.  Hopefully, I'll be more conscious of it and observe myself rather than just get continually sucked up into the game.  

There's a book called "Power versus Force" by Dr. Hawkins that has been helpful for me.  Mostly though, seeing myself running away from or getting angry at attacks that didn't exist has been a great lesson.  I would think that if the energy of an intoxicated person of 'lesser' character who's just kissed the front end of an on-coming truck with his motorcycle doesn't cause me harm, then I can probably handle the energy of the rest of the innocent humans out there, who are struggling just like me and doing the best they can do with what they know.  It surely makes me conscious of what my energy can possibly be doing to affect others.

This is all very new to me.  All of this has come only in the past month or so.  I don't really like feeling the effects of other people's energy so strongly but me thinks it may just be the way things are.  Or maybe not.

I'm also wondering if this type of perception isn't coming from an opening heart chakra.  

One more thing I've noticed:  I'm a massage therapist.  I seem to NOT be affected so much by my clients (though sometimes if they have a certain energy I do feel it) as I am by those I'm not in a close contact with.  This seems to tell me that the way the energy affects me can be entirely controlled with intent.  That's a guess.  It's like a safety mechanism or something, that I'm not getting sucked into their yuck.  It seems to be naturally in place, so my work has not, thus far, caused me any problems.  I'm grateful for this!    

Blessings!
Eileen

********
: I have often been having feelings which at least do not seem to originate from within me but from other people. . .....it became very obvious to me that I became nervous for no reason when somebody else was to perform, .... At one occasion there was also this girl who had an energy field that was so thick an unpleasant that I felt it almost physically when she stepped close

: Danijel describes a few versions of mirroring:
: (b) a %ldquopure%rdquo person merely reflects the state of an impure person;
: (c) an %ldquoimpure%rdquo person exploits a purer one by means of manipulation;
: (d) two impure astral bodies intensify each other%rsquos impurities, but different ones;
: (e) the presence of %ldquoa strong, pure individual%rdquo makes all the impurities in the astral bodies of other people more visible; and they start to accuse him of all the things that have been stirred up in them.

: My third question is how to handle situations where I am overwhelmed by negative emotions which I perceive as belonging to somebody else.

[Mystress]

: :   What more did you want to know?

: Well, actually a lot!

: At least since I was 16 years old, I have often been having feelings which at least do not seem to originate from within me but from other people. Sometimes they have been really positive, sometimes they have been really bad. I most often did not consciously think of it that way, although I was at some level aware of what was happening, but at the NLP coach course it became very obvious to me that I became nervous for no reason when somebody else was to perform, and afterwards admitted she felt really nervous about it. At one occasion there was also this girl who had an energy field that was so thick an unpleasant that I felt it almost physically when she stepped close to me to tell me she had decided not to have lunch with the other course participants. (I spontaneously got the impression that her kundalini was awake but that she had a lot of suppressed emotions coming up.) Afterwards she told me, she had felt so bad that she had had to go away for herself instead of participating in the lunch. Later on, I noticed I felt really bad in the presence of some other course participants and did not know how to handle it.

: Danijel describes a few versions of mirroring:
: (a) situations where differences in the span of communicating peoples abilities to understand and feel creates communication problems;
: (b) a %ldquopure%rdquo person merely reflects the state of an impure person;
: (c) an %ldquoimpure%rdquo person exploits a purer one by means of manipulation;
: (d) two impure astral bodies intensify each other%rsquos impurities, but different ones;
: (e) the presence of %ldquoa strong, pure individual%rdquo makes all the impurities in the astral bodies of other people more visible; and they start to accuse him of all the things that have been stirred up in them.

OK, first let me put his comments in context. Danijel believes he is the most enlightened master on the planet, and he projects that because he wants everyone to agree... and it is the projection that gets people stirred up.

 Karma follows responsibility, so if you project energy at people it will stir up their karma, which will flow to you as the one responsible for stirring it up. They give it to you, by spewing and projecting it onto you, because it is yours because you stirred it up.

Second, if you resist accepting it, and dney ownership, things will escalate. The more karma they have, the more they will get stirred up by your projection, and the more persistent they will be in giving it to you. Wheras if you surrender, accept it in order to surrender it, you will see them make an amazing change of attitude.

 If you put yourself on a pedestal by judging them as impure, it gets worse... because now you are projecting negative judgments onto them as well, instead of seeing Goddess perfection in them: Namaste.

 The law of power is "I attract that which occurs" so look at what you are doing, to get the negative reaction from people. That is the mirror to look into. Quit being concerned about the level of enlightenment of other people, it is none of your business. Focus on your own enlightenment. See perfection in them, and stuff won't stick.

 The other thing is that other people will project energy, feelings etc. but if you are transparent and not resisting, it will flow through you. Be mindful, surrender it as it comes in. Be nothing, then nothing sticks... get into comparing who is more enlightened, and you stir up a hornets nest.

: My first question is how to distinguish between these phenomena.

: When it comes to the first situation (a), I think I can understand enough of the basis of this to explore the phenomenon further. The same goes, at least to some extant, for situation (c). I have seen this happen and I also think I have experienced it myself.

: The other situations I have difficulties to relate to my experiences in a distinguished way. How do I know for sure when I deal with a %ldquopure%rdquo person who casts his light on my impurities (e) or an %ldquoimpure%rdquo person whose impurities I reflect (b) or a situation of both (d).

Surrender it all and let Goddess sort it out. Quicker and easier to do that, than to worry about whose stuff it is.

:For instances, the person I perceived as most likely to be responsible for my bad feelings in the presence of a group where she participated claimed she was relieved of in principle all her karmic garbage and that people perceived her like a saint. Still, that was not how she appeared to me, and she also did not show any of the usual signs of a spiritual awakening (e.g. the feeling of energy around her; the naturally relaxed and %ldquofresh%rdquo way of %ldquobeing%rdquo; physical symptoms of heat ascending up the spine etc).

Well, just because someone claims to be enlightened doesn't mean they are. The more important question is, why waste energy judging whether other people are enlightened? I see Goddess in everyone, they all seem self realized to me, until they open their mouths or act in some way that tells me where they think Goddess is not. Where the karma-separation is. At that point I still see Goddess in them, but at least I can know that they don't see Her in themselves, and act accordingly.

: The situation (d) would be a possible explanation to at least parts of my bullying experiences. E.g. it would explain some false accusations which appear as rather in sane. I don%rsquot perceive myself as very %ldquopure%rdquo. In fact, I am aware of enough impurities to wonder what more the shadow could really have to revile. But I am certainly awake (and have been so to some extent at least since my early teens) and this might be enough to create such an effect, especially if the impurities I have been working on have also been perceived by others (I am thinking of the girl mentioned above with the extremely thick energy field). But how do I know if this is really the case and, if so, what can I do about it? This is my second question.

Quit projecting your energy at people. Send your Shakti into your own heart, and it changes the nature of your Shakti field so it is not invasive and doesn't poke other folks karma. Quit projecting judgments of who is pure or not.
 Remember your wings. The wings of the heart are the key to freedom: live and let live. They are free to be themselves and you are free to be yourself.  

: My third question is how to handle situations where I am overwhelmed by negative emotions which I perceive as belonging to somebody else. Of course, I have some techniques for that. But now, Danijel recommends %ldquodisowning such states%rdquo, a technique which he calls to %ldquoexercised detachment%rdquo. I would like to know more about how this is to be done.

Just go into the Witness state, where there are no emotions. From there you will get understanding that gives compassion to get you out of resistance so you can process the stuff  when you come back down.

 You can also surrender the incoming stuff.

If Goddess won't take it because the owner won't let go, then say ~Goddess please take from me anything that belongs to someone else, and give it back to them in whatever way, shape, form or time as You know best. Thank you." Vertical return to sender via Goddess courier. Very clean. Blessings!

[Mystress]

: Thank you for asking these questions.  I am experiencing similar things as you describe.  In fact, I've found that going ANYWHERE in public is causing me to perceive energy coming from all directions, 'messing' with my own energy field.  At first, I took it as energy attacks until I realized that nobody was doing anything but just going about life!  How can everyone at Walmart possibly have a reason to 'attack me!'

: So when I figured out that nobody was attacking me, then I realized that I can't do anything but just allow the energy to be what it is and to adapt to it.  Stay grounded.  And what happens is that I feel my crown chakra open and I get pretty foofy in the head and I'm sort of lost in this state of neutral contentment.  I'm buzzed.  I would say that I've become much more compassionate toward people.

Exactly. Stop judging and resisting, and let your Shakti eat the stuff... the result is quite blissful with a side effect of huge creative energy.

: The real immersion in this was when I spent an entire day in the Emergency Room ...recently...(Waiting with hubby; not as a sick/injured person) getting bombarded by literally crowds of people; some who were drunk, emotionally screwed up, physically and psychologically and emotionally experiencing all ranges of suffering and humanity.  It was a very dizzying and sobering experience and it helped me tremendously.  None of that energy hurt me.  It was very strong and disruptive for me, but it only seemed to provide me with a platform for bliss and compassion.

You did not resist it, you just accepted that people are the way they are, and had compassion... so none of it could stick, or hurt you.

: I'm beginning to think that literally everything is just exactly what we make it.

YEAH BABY!  Energy is energy, it is our judgments that make it good or bad.

: Not that I know so much, but at this point in my journey it seems that this may be so.  I've experienced that reflection thing very drastically...and it  continues.  Hopefully, I'll be more conscious of it and observe myself rather than just get continually sucked up into the game.  

: There's a book called "Power versus Force" by Dr. Hawkins that has been helpful for me.  Mostly though, seeing myself running away from or getting angry at attacks that didn't exist has been a great lesson.  I would think that if the energy of an intoxicated person of 'lesser' character who's just kissed the front end of an on-coming truck with his motorcycle doesn't cause me harm, then I can probably handle the energy of the rest of the innocent humans out there, who are struggling just like me and doing the best they can do with what they know.  It surely makes me conscious of what my energy can possibly be doing to affect others.

: This is all very new to me.  All of this has come only in the past month or so.  I don't really like feeling the effects of other people's energy so strongly but me thinks it may just be the way things are.  Or maybe not.

: I'm also wondering if this type of perception isn't coming from an opening heart chakra.  

Yes. When the heart opens, increased empathy follows.

: One more thing I've noticed:  I'm a massage therapist.  I seem to NOT be affected so much by my clients (though sometimes if they have a certain energy I do feel it) as I am by those I'm not in a close contact with.  This seems to tell me that the way the energy affects me can be entirely controlled with intent.

Well, with them the exchange is more consciously consensual. They are coming to you to release their karma/tension so you are not resising and they are willing to let go. Nothing sticks. It just flows through you.

: That's a guess.  It's like a safety mechanism or something, that I'm not getting sucked into their yuck.  It seems to be naturally in place, so my work has not, thus far, caused me any problems.  I'm grateful for this!    

Thanks for your response, Eileen!

: Blessings!
: Eileen

: ********
: : I have often been having feelings which at least do not seem to originate from within me but from other people. . .....it became very obvious to me that I became nervous for no reason when somebody else was to perform, .... At one occasion there was also this girl who had an energy field that was so thick an unpleasant that I felt it almost physically when she stepped close

:
: : Danijel describes a few versions of mirroring:
: : (b) a %ldquopure%rdquo person merely reflects the state of an impure person;
: : (c) an %ldquoimpure%rdquo person exploits a purer one by means of manipulation;
: : (d) two impure astral bodies intensify each other%rsquos impurities, but different ones;
: : (e) the presence of %ldquoa strong, pure individual%rdquo makes all the impurities in the astral bodies of other people more visible; and they start to accuse him of all the things that have been stirred up in them.

:
: : My third question is how to handle situations where I am overwhelmed by negative emotions which I perceive as belonging to somebody else.

[Vyana]

Wow! This is useful indeed! Had I only known of these mechanisms ten years ago!! Thank you so much Mystress and Eileen!!!

A lot has happened for me the last week. Ten days ago I started my oral chelation therapy to slowly remove the uranium from my cells. With this method, the poison is removed through the gastric system. So, as I expected my stomach problems got worse. Some rather strong and very persistent negative emotions have also been coming up.

About the same time I started my chelation, I stumbled over an old post from you, Mystress, about a technique for %ldquoCLEARING THE EMOTIONAL BODY%rdquo (Posted by Mystress on April 07, 2001 at 03:06:46), and I have been practicing some of these techniques since then. This has brought me some relief from strong negative emotions. I am still practicing these techniques.

After reading your mail, Eileen, I have been trying to follow your example. And as a part of it, I tried to direct the energy into my heart chakra to get it transformed or send it away up through the crown (it was my first guess that was what happened to you, when your crown chakra opened, but maybe I was wrong?). Yesterday I also triggered some extra shakti energy, which was at first caught in an irritated spot in my stomach close to my power chakra. This caused increased pain in my stomach. To deal with it I concentrated my awareness to this spot, but that did not work. Then I tried another technique. I concentrated my awareness to the whole chest and head area, including my arms. Then it was as if the energy was released and distributed upwards to all parts of this area. After that, my stomach is still kind of swollen, but it%rsquos more like a plain physical thing, if you understand what I mean, and I don%rsquot feel so much discomfort from it any more. Then, I was also able to direct a lot of negative emotions into my heart and send them away up through my crown. Since then I have felt considerably better.

My problem has not so much been lack of understanding of the fact that I am responsible for how I feel and that I should feel good. For some periods, e.g. after my tummo initiation and when my heart chakra has been strongly active, I have been in a state when I have felt really good. But, after a few weeks it has all faded away and negative emotions coming up inside of me or coming in from outside has kind of taken over. It seems to me that my main problem is that I am lazy. I don%rsquot practice enough, in spite of the fact that I have every reason to. Is there some energy exercise to take away the laziness? (JK) However, I will certainly do my best to integrate this very valuable lesson into my way of being!

Thank you very much!

Vyana

[edward]

:Karma follows responsibility, so if you project :energy at people it will stir up their karma, :which will flow to you as the one responsible for :stirring it up. They give it to you, by spewing :and projecting it onto you, because it is yours :because you stirred it up.

Does this also regard to sending positive energy?

Often, when I'm with friends, or talking with persons I feel need some positive vibes, I send them good thoughts og healing light. And I can usuallysee that they feel good about it.

But if I understand Mystress correctly, it is not OK to send positive energy either?

I'm really confused right now.

By the way, I'm now on this course. I am 24 year old boy (young body, old soul) fra Norway, Oslo.

Edward