Matriarchy and Goddess

[Ulterium]

http://www.fire-serpent.com/tantra/14matgod.html

I know it's early days.. I read this statement in the second lesson by Robert Heinlein. This troubled me. I wasn't sure whether it was really a lesson of giving up judgement of others.

I felt irritated and angered after reading the further quotes. This I shouldn't have and is probably a result of some judgemental stuff within myself that I hadn't surrendered.

However after persisting I tried to see through this and look objectively.

I couldn't put this down. It rattled me and made me irritable. Based on my own ideas...

Firstly nearly all religions and cults start with (or at least early on portray) a statement of negativity. Seeing that there is wrong-ness or bad-ness whether at the world, society or self that needs fixing. If people buy into this then the obvious thing that follows is how to fix it. Relgion the cure. One way to get followers.

It is often said that in wholeness, there is perfection. To me it is the minds eye that sees separation, lack and imperfection. For me, the first step of a religion (not referring to FST at all) should be to not believe there is anything wrong to begin with. Maybe then we can already be enlightened. Isn't that how a child may see the World?

These quotes in a general sense to me come across as negatively judgemental, biased, and presented as hard statements of fact rather than just ideas. Mostly based in wrong-right, good-bad type thinking.

I find it difficult to agree with any of them. They don't seem aligned with spirit. In fact I'd go as far as saying if people buy into these ideas they are putting more weight on their minds. How can any of these said things be liberating? What is the purpose?

If I may ask, what is the relationship of feminism to Kundalini What relevance is there in this socialist movement?

God-ess tends to be considered as neither male or female (from books and also what has been said on the K-List). I think even MAS mentioned this when I read an older post in the archives. I can accept the label well, and it takes away some of the pre-conceived ideas I hold about the label 'god'. For me, shakti-shiva and infinite one would also fit.

Regarding male dominance, it is my idea that one should look at nature if they wish to see our natur-al instinct. It is fair to say there are animals in harmony and female dominant species as well as male dominant. One can't be without the other. Male monkeys tend to be more aggressive and dominating than there female counterparts.

Why to assume the culture is sick though? This is illogical. It seems to be that the ones who sees the world as in need of fixing is often the one that needs fixing. Even a starving African sees things in their context. Is it wise to judge a reality based upon the laws and prescribed contexts of the reality we are in?

In Thailand when their economy disintegrated in 1997, Thai's did had not lose their values, in fact it in some ways united and strengthened this. They have something to fall back on. A foundation. That is really what Western culture lacks in my wisdom. A foundation of workable and relevant ideals and beliefs.

In regard to identification with a country. Does a country really exist? People can identify with a culture but this is arbitrary. Identification being natural to gain individual identity. Can we be anything without identifying?

Just mention one or two other things. "everybody knows that a country is on the skids when its income and outgo get out of balance" - I would suggest if the country is self-sustaining and has natural resource to sustain from within then the deficit externally is not a big deal.

It is not my intention to portray a negative tone. I was somewhat rattled by what I read. It felt relevant to say something. I am trusting the further lessons will have brighter fruits.

Rich

PS The links on the first page may need updating. For me only two of them worked.

[Mystress]

  Richard:

   You did not read the course instructions before starting, or you would know that the quotes starting each lesson and some content of the lessons themselves, are meant to be provocative. You claim to be objective, but if it still irritated you, then you are not.

 You did not read the tea room instructions either, or you would have mentioned the lesson by name instead of posting the URL.

 If you had been reading the lesson with childlike innocence, as you suggest religions need to, you would not have found anything wrong with the lesson, eh? So, you have learned your behaviors and attitudes do not match your ideals.

 There are several species of monkeys, such as the bonobo, that are matriarchal.

 Updating all the links on 58 lessons is an endless job, and I gave up. All the links for all the lessons are now on one page:
http://www.fire-serpent.com/fstlinks.html

  Blessings...

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: http://www.fire-serpent.com/tantra/14matgod.html

: I know it's early days.. I read this statement in the second lesson by Robert Heinlein. This troubled me. I wasn't sure whether it was really a lesson of giving up judgement of others.

: I felt irritated and angered after reading the further quotes. This I shouldn't have and is probably a result of some judgemental stuff within myself that I hadn't surrendered.

: However after persisting I tried to see through this and look objectively.

: I couldn't put this down. It rattled me and made me irritable. Based on my own ideas...

: Firstly nearly all religions and cults start with (or at least early on portray) a statement of negativity. Seeing that there is wrong-ness or bad-ness whether at the world, society or self that needs fixing. If people buy into this then the obvious thing that follows is how to fix it. Relgion the cure. One way to get followers.

: It is often said that in wholeness, there is perfection. To me it is the minds eye that sees separation, lack and imperfection. For me, the first step of a religion (not referring to FST at all) should be to not believe there is anything wrong to begin with. Maybe then we can already be enlightened. Isn't that how a child may see the World?

: These quotes in a general sense to me come across as negatively judgemental, biased, and presented as hard statements of fact rather than just ideas. Mostly based in wrong-right, good-bad type thinking.

: I find it difficult to agree with any of them. They don't seem aligned with spirit. In fact I'd go as far as saying if people buy into these ideas they are putting more weight on their minds. How can any of these said things be liberating? What is the purpose?

: If I may ask, what is the relationship of feminism to Kundalini What relevance is there in this socialist movement?

: God-ess tends to be considered as neither male or female (from books and also what has been said on the K-List). I think even MAS mentioned this when I read an older post in the archives. I can accept the label well, and it takes away some of the pre-conceived ideas I hold about the label 'god'. For me, shakti-shiva and infinite one would also fit.

: Regarding male dominance, it is my idea that one should look at nature if they wish to see our natur-al instinct. It is fair to say there are animals in harmony and female dominant species as well as male dominant. One can't be without the other. Male monkeys tend to be more aggressive and dominating than there female counterparts.

:
: Why to assume the culture is sick though? This is illogical. It seems to be that the ones who sees the world as in need of fixing is often the one that needs fixing. Even a starving African sees things in their context. Is it wise to judge a reality based upon the laws and prescribed contexts of the reality we are in?

: In Thailand when their economy disintegrated in 1997, Thai's did had not lose their values, in fact it in some ways united and strengthened this. They have something to fall back on. A foundation. That is really what Western culture lacks in my wisdom. A foundation of workable and relevant ideals and beliefs.

: In regard to identification with a country. Does a country really exist? People can identify with a culture but this is arbitrary. Identification being natural to gain individual identity. Can we be anything without identifying?

: Just mention one or two other things. "everybody knows that a country is on the skids when its income and outgo get out of balance" - I would suggest if the country is self-sustaining and has natural resource to sustain from within then the deficit externally is not a big deal.

: It is not my intention to portray a negative tone. I was somewhat rattled by what I read. It felt relevant to say something. I am trusting the further lessons will have brighter fruits.

: Rich

: PS The links on the first page may need updating. For me only two of them worked.

• http://www.fire-serpent.com/fstlinks.html">all the course links.

[Ulterium]

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:   There are several species of monkeys, such as the bonobo, that are matriarchal.

Thank you.

I believe there is no conclusion to this.

All possibilities (can) exist.

Rich