I had a thought the other day.....

When I judge others, I had a curiosity if I am taking on some of their karma.


One of my former teacher said that he processed other's negative energy, because he was so spiritually pure. He noticed that after a workshop he felt drained, and his solar plexus felt full, while others were happy and felt clearer.


Maybe he is just mis-interpreting what is going on? Maybe his judgements of how unpure they are lets him get some of their "impurity" in the form of some of their karma.

Any thoughts Mystress?

This is an interresting topic. I think that everything that doesn't acknowledge that other people are Goddess too, is a judgement. And stuff just is, wether really good or bad. When one makes a judgement about another person, one gets entangled with their energy. And all jugdements are really reflections of one self. You only see yourself reflected. If you see someone as having "junk" it is your own reaction to the stuff that matters, what it brings our in you, how you react to it. You might see that as a negative thing, as it might actually be, for yourself. But what if the person with the "junk" is getting something from having it? They are Goddess too, and some part of them chose to create, attract or keep that stuff. Goddess does not judge, we as humans tend to do... Goddess sees perfection.

As with other kinds of jugdements, I'm not sure. One can like or dislike someone, even on pure instinct. But maybe that's more to do with something else, like survival based intuition, or just a knowing that someone is or is not good for you to hang around etc?

And there's the kind of judgement that is societal. I'm not much into that myself, personally.


But I suppose you can like or dislike what someone is wearing, without ending up in an enegetic entanglement?

Another view is that thought is judgement. The minds very nature is to continually judge and criticise. Judgement is also, like and dislike, attraction and avoidance, always according to ones conditioning, past experiences that the ego is built upon.

Judgement not only relates to our opinions about people, but more importantly to observe ourselves without judgement, which means we have to empty the mind of the past, all ideas and cultural input. I think the absence of judgement is also related to observation and listening. Actually practicing true non judgement is extremely difficult, we would be enlightened!!

I do the Work of Byron Katie pretty rigorously to work with my judgements.... it is so rewarding, I am starting to enjoy them!


A key part of The Work is owning what you see in others, and to notice that what we think is hurting us is actually blessing us. 


The word entanglement resonates with me. Curious to hear more on the energy exchange/battle/happening when we judge other or life.


xo,

S. e.e.

Made me think about how, when talking about someone else, you sort of call in the higher self of that person, meaning their heigher self will be listening to the entire conversation. I've experienced this a lot actually. That, when someone is discussing something that I'm involded in, a part of me is automaticly drawn there, and my unconcious hears what is being said! Was a rather disorienting experience the first time it happened. I felt like I was two places at once, and a part of me felt uncomfortable about that:P I've also seen the higher selves of other people that someone around me are talking about etc. Even when I just mention someone, their higher selves sometimes show up. Makes me not "downtalk" anyone lol!

Sorry for another post, should be in one

But another aspect is that through the unconcious we're all connected and telepathic too:P  So just thinking about someone, they're unconcious may actually hear it... It also tends to send out a cord. I also tend to visually see or feel the higher self of someone showing up as a reflection of me or outside of me, when someone takes contact with me through phone etc. I've also experienced some telepathic unconcious communication going on between some of my closest friends. Not sure if they're concious about it though

Quote from: robink on Nov 04, 2011, 03:45:44 PM
Another view is that thought is judgement.

Yes.

Thought is Judgement.

The only thing that can be judged by a human being is what colour something is.

That is what judgement is.

Language is derived from relations between colours.

Is it red? If it is red, then it can't be blue. etc...

I said, the only thing that can be judged is the colour of something, but that is not exactly true.

The other thing that can be judged is language itself, but this is in regards to its consitency with itself.

Therefore, language which judges others is overtly saying (to those with ears) that things other than the colour of something can by judged, and on this basis, is implicitly false.

It is like opening one's mouth to say that it is not worth opening one's mouth. If opening one's mouth isn't helpful, then why say it?
To be unhelpful?

When I was trolling, I had someone scream at me: "WORDS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING".

This claim is implicit in so many arguments of the general populace. For example, to call a book evil, such as so many do, is it to lie about what words are, but as one needs to use words to lie, you can't actually do it.




Interesting thought: Are all lies at root a denial of the fact that all Words come from G/D?

"The father of all lies"...? mmmm...I shall think on.


All words come from G/D, and all words are holy, as far as I am concerned, and all words help-  especially those which appear not to.

This is a fundamental belief which I hold, and I find it important to say it. I know that saying it means that people who don't believe that all words come from G/D will try to say things to me which are not from G/D, therby to prove to themeselves that they are the 'opposite' of whatever position it is they think I hold, but that is their drama not mine.

People who don't believe that all words come from G/D are unaware that what they 'intend' to say is not what they will say, as they are unaware that the truth or falsity of a satement can be judged quite clearly without recourse to the intention of the speaker...not that such a thing as the 'intention' of the speaker actually exists.


...as the Qur'an has explained, it is those who don't believe in the Day of Judgement who hasten it.

"Made me think about how, when talking about someone else, you sort of call in the higher self of that person, meaning their heigher self will be listening to the entire conversation. "


And how does their higher self react when you judge them?




I have such a visceral reaction in my solar plexus, even sometimes when I have ONE judgmental thought, I am trying to understand and work with what is going on, on an energetic level.

The Work of Byron Katie is an amazing way to work with it on a cognitive level.

I guess it doesn't react to the judgements, because what you and I see and uderstand as judgements are not actually judgements.

We can't judge. Judgements don't exist.

The illusion of judgement is the illusion of duality.

When someone speaks to judge, as they cannot do it, they are actually saying something else. Much like someone who says that words don't mean anything.

In everything that is said there is truth. It is not possible to say something without some truth, and it is that truth which remains.

I guess the higher self picks up on what you are really saying, not what you say you are saying.

If we percieve someone as judging us, then we are engaged with their perspective, and with their karma, and we dance the dance, I guess. 

...dance the dance, I guess.

Mmm...

Not so sure about that last line. I think it is possible for someone to percieve you as judging them when you are not - that is certainly my experience.

Regardless of the percieved Ego of the speaker, it is the truth in their words which affects the listener. The truth does not belong to a person or ego, but to Goddess, and it is the truth which affects. It is Goddess which affects.

When people are affected by something someone has said, it is not that person who is making the change, it is Goddess.

It is never the case that someone is judging someone else (is not possible!), so the pecieved judgement is always from Goddess.

In my experience, when people believe I am judging them but I had no intention of doing such a thing (not that intention matters), they ascribe to my Ego the Truth about themselves that they wish to deny, and then try to destroy my name/Ego, so as to avoid dealing with whatever it is they think I said.

This is a pretty standard experience for people who speak the Truth.

Unfourtunately (or fortunately), for those who try to put what Goddess does on to a person's intentions, it just makes them more Goddess.


The energetics of creating Messengers.