Mystress told in a Tea Party that we can suck up others karma in our body, and also do this with the Karma in our own body, and then go into the
Witness, and from there shine unconditional love on it and the karma will be transmuted.

However, I've read somewhere before, and also read somewhere on the K-teacher site that Karma can only be dissolved from
the same level it is created.

So this I find confusing. Isn't the Witness state out of the body and therefore on a higher level than the karma in the body?

How is it possible to transmute karma from the Witness when Karma only is possible to dissolve on the same level it is created?

Isn't it more logical that we can only dissolve Karma when we're in the body and not in the Witness?


Regards,

Edward

If i should design the Witness state by one single word, i would use "ne-utrality".

Which is firstly meant as an attitude towards my own personality, breaking the usual state with it's natural egoistic attachment(according to our actual level).

It's a nonjudgemental state, or a state of unconditional love(theatre or movie director's perspective; any character is important not just the star-actors; even the non-actors: the walk-on parts).

When you go on an adventure tour like mountain climbing or on a *sailing trip* etc., where the one depends on the other, and where it is paramount to put the ego behind, these adventures may also be enlightening, with a greater "witnessing".

Since no judgements are made, all levels are accepted(For instance in a movie, different levels "make horse races", lending a certain thrill to the piece.)
Or, with Karma work, all levels can be principally healed(if no other -higher- cause is preventing).

Since neutrality is a bit an insipid term, i want to add empathy.
The healer as well as any other coach are *empathic* persons, empathic for different levels, and integrative; so indeed 'neutrality' seems no longer needed.

cool  venturings!
Juergen

This is not the only way to do this and I won't describe the method since Mystress gave it in a chat and not more openly.  However, the particular approach alluded to below is a variant of Tonglen which is openly described in many places on the net.

Swami Sivananda said, "An ounce of practice is worth a ton of theory."  For me, rationalization often results in the thought of control, but we are told that surrender is the imperative.

As Juergen said, the transmutation of another's karma begins with empathy.  This implies the heart chakra and therefore the blurring of lines between self and other.  Everything you take is yours in this place.  Additionally, every element has every other element within it.  The heart chakra has everything within.

The results:  The shakti increases very strongly and heart lotus blossoms open further.  The karma dissolves as the shakti takes it to the 'same level it was created' and transmutes it.  Bliss arises.  The witness state arises of its own accord.  Its appearance is uncontrived.  Depending on how much karma is being transmuted and the capacity to transmute it an OBE may result.  Tibetan Buddhists say that different experiences of samadhi may result from taking on karma.

We do not dissolve the karma.  Shakti dissolves the karma.  The witness state, compassion, the experience of unconditional love, and mental quietude arise spontaneously here.  The results are as it has been said in previous posts, '...shit makes the flowers grow'. 

regards,
Pete

   An important piece that must be clear is that one must be grounded while doing this otherwise, I find, that stuff flows much less well, if at all. 

Good question, Edward.

   I referred to Witness to give an example of the mental state of unconditional love and acceptance that is needed, the type of energy, but when I do it I use unconditional love and acceptance from the heart chakra or imagine witness non-dual energy coming in my crown and following my attention.

   Pete, it is ok to share what you learned in the chat.

   Blessings and hello on a rainy day in Poet's Cove marina, Pender island, harbour wi-fi aboard druid's yacht. 

   Blessings and hello on a rainy day in Poet's Cove marina, Pender island, harbour wi-fi aboard druid's yacht.

Sounds insanely cozy Like a bit "flair"?
(They have there poets and weather, too )
juergen

Thank you for clarifying.

Once again, the ego surrenders to letting everything just be.

I'm cultivating the zen state of mind. By just feeling the body without resistance.

The thoughts slow down. Then another rush of thoughts and issues emerge, underneath physical
sensations are pushing through. Then it's good to surrender. Surrender actually works.

When I just be, the groundedness is a natural state of the body.

It's like giving up. Again and again. Stop fighting, or doing anything at all.

Body feels nice and warm.

Juergen: more like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fic5wHLvl60Rocks and trees

  Took a Beaver seaplane home a day early... to prepare for an event this weekend that has just been cauncelled.
  The pilot pointed out a pod of Orcas and circled so we could look. I sat in the copilots seat and let my inner child go WHEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! brought tears to my eyes.

  Poets cove is a beautiful marina resort and spa... my druid decided I needed a spa day whoo... paraffin wrap and massage and the afternoon in the steam cave mmmmmmmm... my goal was to get ascended again and his was to get me noodly. Relaxed.

  hee hee the little old 28' sailboat got hidden in the back of the marina so all the massive shiny american power yachts could park in front.  Some of them were bigger than my house.

Edward Wrote: However, I've read somewhere before, and also read somewhere on the K-teacher site that Karma can only be dissolved from the same level it is created.


   Wondering where you read that.. it is not entirely true. In fact, a lot of stuff moves more easily if you tackle it from a perspective one chakra higher. 

  I remember explaining to you that you cannot heal your self of old trauma when you are not in your body, so perhaps that is what you are thinking of. 

Pete: what you wrote is really beautiful and thoughtful.

  Karma vampire games is an acension process, because what is resonant in you goes too... and because as you wrote, the transmuted energy takes you to a higher vibration.  It is bumpy if the stuff gets stuck in you, if the other is not willing to let go. Goddess won't take stolen property and their resistance in you turns toxic.  However, with support of a 3rd party it can be quite astonishing.

  I admit, in earlier days of my process, in the days of my training as a Shaman before I was given my tribe I was quite a pirate, snacking where I was moved to, often without even realizing it.

   For example, at a fetish club, a tranny and a domina I knew were having a silly drunk argument on the bench behind me.  With barely a stray thought I took the argument (stole it from both of them) and gave them both some white light. They immediately stopped arguing, sat up straighter and looked at each other, then got up and left in opposite directions.  I questioned my motives afterward, selfish... I did it because having them arguing behind me was a distraction, I was trying to talk to some friends.  Quite spontaneous too... but the argument served no purpose, just the natural antipathy between gay trannies and fem doms.  They were drunk and tangled in each others energy sliding into a hole together.  Snack!

    So, there is a reason why I mostly teach it to overwhelmed empaths, so they can reclaim thier power. You can see how the appearance of being able to effortlessly manipulate sitations could lead to ego inflation even though the actual mechanism is non dual. It does have its own built in safeguards against mis-use... resistant food poisons your liver.

   Empathic healing is dangerous. Not the best healing method around at all, but for the naturally empathic it is useful to know how to keep your own energy clear. It is the Guru gig... if the people you snack on do not get the insights (silver linings) of the karma back, then they will inevitably recreate it.

  Best thing is to use it inwardly. With practice you can flood your whole being with unconditional love bliss from your heart like gasoline exploding.  The more you *become* unconditional love, the less stuff sticks.

   Witness state is a stage... pop out the other side of it into Laughing Buddha.  Witness of unconditional love but fully embodied and with a sense of humour about it all, laughter is the nature of spirit.

  blessings... 


   

Juergen: more like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fic5wHLvl60Rocks and trees
(... and uwaddderrr )

now it's crystal clear: You are Canada: really big

When I just be, the groundedness is a natural state of the body.

It's like giving up. Again and again. Stop fighting, or doing anything at all.


Being air is the method of choice to linger comfortably in the storm.

Ego pushes the opposite direction.

Then somewhere someone has said something about a 'middle path'. -- Alright?

Juergen

OK, so to get it right, one does not have to be in the chakra where the karma is in or "around",
as long one is in any of the chakras from the heart and below?

It's so good to surrender. Like 24/7 meditation. After surrendering the thoughts as they come,
it's like I get new start, in a new reality. The rush comes after surrendering, even stronger.

Anyway, this is not something that I have to be aware of to get the sense of perceptions clearer?

Surrender will take me where I have to be.

Hope you're enjoying your vacation and taking care of your long beautiful body!


Edward

   "For example, at a fetish club, a tranny and a domina I knew were having a silly drunk argument on the bench behind me.  With barely a stray thought I took the argument (stole it from both of them) and gave them both some white light. They immediately stopped arguing, sat up straighter and looked at each other, then got up and left in opposite directions.  I questioned my motives afterward, selfish... I did it because having them arguing behind me was a distraction, I was trying to talk to some friends.  Quite spontaneous too... but the argument served no purpose, just the natural antipathy between gay trannies and fem doms.  They were drunk and tangled in each others energy sliding into a hole together.  Snack!"


Cool. I remember that I learned that I could manipulate any situation, by snapping my left fingers to decrease or right fingers to increase, people fighting, arguing, being nervous, etc. But this was before
this course and the knowledge of karmic feedback. It always worked, and I was astonished every time
about how powerful magic this was. But man, after the rush, then the karma came. And that was not
pleasant. So I stopped doing it.

To let the magic wand rest and instead learning to love myself, then the reality change and my view
of the world change, so then there is no need to use the magic wand on the outside reflection.

Cool to discover that one is a God. Shivoham

But Shiva has to surrender to his Parvati, and forget everything. Yes yes. 


Edward