Eileen: Yes.  I suppose it's the awareness that is making it visible.  What I was sitting with yesterday on my way home from the office was the KINDS of thinking that occur.   There are the thoughts that form into words that we hear as chatter in our heads, and then there are the thoughts that just exist which have not formed into words.   And those seem to be really important, because to feed them causes them to form into words and they seem to have a bit more power to them when that happens. 

Excellent mindfulness!!  What you are seeing, is the passage of a thought through the chakras... or. how a thought looks, from different chakra dimensional levels as it arises into awareness.   It is good, it means you are becoming more aware of yourself on more levels.  Do the soul travel meditation through the chakras and you will understand more about how each chakra has its own voice or language.

  The root chakra is instinctive sparks, no language. A thought gains emotional energy at the second chakra, and gets formed into reasons and excuses... rationalization at the mental level which is the power chakra. So, yes, aborting or surrendering it before it gets to the power chakra is effective! Takes good discernment to abort thoughts by how they... smell? Emotionally?  as they rise toward second, before they become words or images.

  You may also notice, when the heart voice is speaking it does not have the same appearance of travel or transformation. There is not the same sense of thought bubbling up from the depths of consciousness, they just appear and the body reacts to the truth. If you are very mindful, you may get a sense of the heart voice arising from the heart and passing through the throat before appearing as words heard in the mind.

   Cool, eh? Blessings!! 
   

Quote from: Mystress on Feb 21, 2008, 09:36:07 PM

What you are seeing, is the passage of a thought through the chakras...

  You may also notice, when the heart voice is speaking it does not have the same appearance of travel or transformation. There is not the same sense of thought bubbling up from the depths of consciousness, they just appear and the body reacts to the truth.   Cool, eh? Blessings!!     

Wow, that was a great description - I've experienced all you described but didn't understand it in those terms.  Your description really clarifys it.  Thank you!

The way I was seeing the 'thoughts that have not formed into words' is as potential energy.  Raw energy available for use as any creation.  Existing, yet not existing:  Available as either, available as nothing.

I've gotten through to this place by having a strong desire to make my life what I want it...transform it from poopy to beautiful and joyful.  To do that I learned that I had to notice 'what my mind was doing behind my back' - or to notice the thoughts that were going on unconsciously.  It's taken some time, tons of discipline, and most of all...compassion,kindness and patience with myself.  O so worth this effort!  Of course, it's a continuous work!

And you know, I've also come to the place where I don't really perceive the heart voice as something separate.  Sometimes it is, if I form it so in my mind.  But as life is becoming more spontaneous, and there is less of a separation in everything (for me), it's all just 'that.'   It does come and go.  This is all fairly new and is just the beginning of a new process of doing life.  Er, letting life do me.  Or whatever!  ha!

The more I understand, the more I see that there is really nothing to do.  There is no method to do it - except that we tend to rely on methods to get us to the place that we can see it and say, oh, there is no method needed.  I've said it before...and describe this sensation as I perceive it as "the out-breath." 

Ahhh.

Thank you Mystress!
Eileen
(er - alias Eileen machine)
Oh ha ha ha ha ha!
Juergan, you're a blast!

Holy applepie!

Mystress has always been extraordinary generous, especially on this board, with advice and hints. But i cannot recall Her ever go so much into details about the chakra relations.
(Even if i don't get it completely, it gives some clues and i can at least fake to get it    ).

I also sense a sparkling 'onward'-attitude here, a true push-up.
Eileen, Ye are also wonderful!
Want to share a picture, an impression: Since quite some couple of years the French have released their high capacity train 'TGV' which reads: train à grande vitesse; it's an absolute hot babe: when it was launched, they made a kind of publicity trailor from the drivers cabin; it showed the speedo, with a maximum of 400 km/h (about 220 miles); there was also a kind of speedo wheel around it, to decide the desired final speed. I remember well the incident when the driver, with an attitude like a priest, wound that wheel on 350!
Thought that could be something You might like.(Also fine if Ye don't  ).
L&L,

happy shadow