Me and the dang spiders, wouldn't you know it? Can't stand 'em and they're always haunting me!! So, several days ago I was meditating and saw a rather nasty, large, fuzzy spider hanging out attached to my heart chakra. I have actually never been able to see entities with such a clearly defined and recognizable form on my being as this...I am assuming this is an entity, what else would it be? The thing is, I have attempted to remove it several times now, and after each attempt, it's like some kind of veil drops or a wall goes up, and I can no longer "see" what is going on with myself.  I am incapable of trying again until I rest up some and come back a day or so later, only to find this thing is back and I haven't been successful in clearing it.  I am wondering if sometimes these things are just stubborn, and why is it I am having this blindness occur after trying to remove the bugger? Goddess and tearoom, please eat my apparent resistance to successfully accomplishing this clearing, thank you very much!!!!

  "Grandmother spider spins the web of the world"... but archtypal dieties are harder to evict than entities. Quit resisting, give it love and talk to it. It is a type of Goddess, probably it has a message for you.

  Blessings...

: Me and the dang spiders, wouldn't you know it? Can't stand 'em and they're always haunting me!! So, several days ago I was meditating and saw a rather nasty, large, fuzzy spider hanging out attached to my heart chakra. I have actually never been able to see entities with such a clearly defined and recognizable form on my being as this...I am assuming this is an entity, what else would it be? The thing is, I have attempted to remove it several times now, and after each attempt, it's like some kind of veil drops or a wall goes up, and I can no longer "see" what is going on with myself.  I am incapable of trying again until I rest up some and come back a day or so later, only to find this thing is back and I haven't been successful in clearing it.  I am wondering if sometimes these things are just stubborn, and why is it I am having this blindness occur after trying to remove the bugger? Goddess and tearoom, please eat my apparent resistance to successfully accomplishing this clearing, thank you very much!!!!

 PS: Google "Grandmother spider" find 25,000 hits.

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"Grandmother spider spins the web of the world"... but archtypal dieties are harder to evict than entities. Quit resisting, give it love and talk to it. It is a type of Goddess, probably it has a message for you.

  Blessings...

: Me and the dang spiders, wouldn't you know it? Can't stand 'em and they're always haunting me!! So, several days ago I was meditating and saw a rather nasty, large, fuzzy spider hanging out attached to my heart chakra. I have actually never been able to see entities with such a clearly defined and recognizable form on my being as this...I am assuming this is an entity, what else would it be? The thing is, I have attempted to remove it several times now, and after each attempt, it's like some kind of veil drops or a wall goes up, and I can no longer "see" what is going on with myself.  I am incapable of trying again until I rest up some and come back a day or so later, only to find this thing is back and I haven't been successful in clearing it.  I am wondering if sometimes these things are just stubborn, and why is it I am having this blindness occur after trying to remove the bugger? Goddess and tearoom, please eat my apparent resistance to successfully accomplishing this clearing, thank you very much!!!!

Hi kittygrrl!

(nice name)

i found this one in the lesson about the ego and higher self:

You know that old expression "If you love something, set it free, if it comes back, it's yours". That really is how surrender works.

Well this is about surrender, and you are referring to entity clearing.

But return does it anyway...

Is it possible there is something good for You from the Spider, maybe as a part of You, no entity ?

Maybe the "grrrl" ?

I think the heart chakra is the place of coming together, community, and it may be what spider is looking for with you.

with smiles,

juergen.

: Me and the dang spiders, wouldn't you know it? Can't stand 'em and they're always haunting me!! So, several days ago I was meditating and saw a rather nasty, large, fuzzy spider hanging out attached to my heart chakra. I have actually never been able to see entities with such a clearly defined and recognizable form on my being as this...I am assuming this is an entity, what else would it be? The thing is, I have attempted to remove it several times now, and after each attempt, it's like some kind of veil drops or a wall goes up, and I can no longer "see" what is going on with myself.  I am incapable of trying again until I rest up some and come back a day or so later, only to find this thing is back and I haven't been successful in clearing it.  I am wondering if sometimes these things are just stubborn, and why is it I am having this blindness occur after trying to remove the bugger? Goddess and tearoom, please eat my apparent resistance to successfully accomplishing this clearing, thank you very much!!!!

Yep.

men will adore Her
Women respect Her !

j.

:   "Grandmother spider spins the web of the world"... but archtypal dieties are harder to evict than entities. Quit resisting, give it love and talk to it. It is a type of Goddess, probably it has a message for you.

:    Blessings...

: : Me and the dang spiders, wouldn't you know it? Can't stand 'em and they're always haunting me!! So, several days ago I was meditating and saw a rather nasty, large, fuzzy spider hanging out attached to my heart chakra. I have actually never been able to see entities with such a clearly defined and recognizable form on my being as this...I am assuming this is an entity, what else would it be? The thing is, I have attempted to remove it several times now, and after each attempt, it's like some kind of veil drops or a wall goes up, and I can no longer "see" what is going on with myself.  I am incapable of trying again until I rest up some and come back a day or so later, only to find this thing is back and I haven't been successful in clearing it.  I am wondering if sometimes these things are just stubborn, and why is it I am having this blindness occur after trying to remove the bugger? Goddess and tearoom, please eat my apparent resistance to successfully accomplishing this clearing, thank you very much!!!!

Thanks Mystress and Jugaen I didn't think of this possibility, probably because my intense fear of spiders just got in the way and I made an assumption that she was an entity...never a good thing, the assuming! I will read up on her and do some more work in actually having a conversation with Grandmother so I can hopefully figger out what the message is I'm supposed to be getting!

: Yep.

: men will adore Her
: Women respect Her !

: j.

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: :   "Grandmother spider spins the web of the world"... but archtypal dieties are harder to evict than entities. Quit resisting, give it love and talk to it. It is a type of Goddess, probably it has a message for you.

: :    Blessings...

: : : Me and the dang spiders, wouldn't you know it? Can't stand 'em and they're always haunting me!! So, several days ago I was meditating and saw a rather nasty, large, fuzzy spider hanging out attached to my heart chakra. I have actually never been able to see entities with such a clearly defined and recognizable form on my being as this...I am assuming this is an entity, what else would it be? The thing is, I have attempted to remove it several times now, and after each attempt, it's like some kind of veil drops or a wall goes up, and I can no longer "see" what is going on with myself.  I am incapable of trying again until I rest up some and come back a day or so later, only to find this thing is back and I haven't been successful in clearing it.  I am wondering if sometimes these things are just stubborn, and why is it I am having this blindness occur after trying to remove the bugger? Goddess and tearoom, please eat my apparent resistance to successfully accomplishing this clearing, thank you very much!!!!

In this first post, you speak of spiders as if you fear them or maybe even have a spider phobia. Such phobias seems to be rather usual and getting rid of them can really chance things in life, as the fear tend to spread to other areas of life and thus can influence a persons whole life situation. Especially, I think of a woman who had her whole life changed from misery to bliss when she had her snake phobia removed by an NLP therapist. The kundalini process is basically about removing karma. And karma is basically suppressed fear in different forms. Could it be that the spider is there to help you deal with some (literally or metaphorically) spider related fear in your life?

: Me and the dang spiders, wouldn't you know it? Can't stand 'em and they're always haunting me!!

I love and appreciate all of you so much, you have no idea! Vyana, you've really given me some food for thought here. I love the insight you have all offered! I feel like whatever this is, it is definitely some sort of a pivotal issue for me. Looks like I have some serious work to do...

: In this first post, you speak of spiders as if you fear them or maybe even have a spider phobia. Such phobias seems to be rather usual and getting rid of them can really chance things in life, as the fear tend to spread to other areas of life and thus can influence a persons whole life situation. Especially, I think of a woman who had her whole life changed from misery to bliss when she had her snake phobia removed by an NLP therapist. The kundalini process is basically about removing karma. And karma is basically suppressed fear in different forms. Could it be that the spider is there to help you deal with some (literally or metaphorically) spider related fear in your life?

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: : Me and the dang spiders, wouldn't you know it? Can't stand 'em and they're always haunting me!!

Okay, I had a talk with the Spider. Apparently, she wants to eat me, that's all I got, that's my message.  Actually, I think the message is that I need to make some sort of change in my life or she WILL eat me or feed on my heart or something of that nature, whatever that means. Since this whole spider thing started I've been feeling so disconnected, utterly alone, and really blue...you know, unsure why I am here, that sorta thing. Maybe posting here will help lift some of my fog. Maybe I am just insane and have lost what few marbles I had left and am just imagining all of this I haven't slept very much in two days now, so my thoughts are a bit jumbled, and I apologize if I'm not making any sense. Okay, just my random thoughts here as I am trying to work through this thing...now back to your regularly scheduled day

Let her eat you.

: Okay, I had a talk with the Spider. Apparently, she wants to eat me, that's all I got, that's my message.  Actually, I think the message is that I need to make some sort of change in my life or she WILL eat me or feed on my heart or something of that nature, whatever that means. Since this whole spider thing started I've been feeling so disconnected, utterly alone, and really blue...you know, unsure why I am here, that sorta thing. Maybe posting here will help lift some of my fog. Maybe I am just insane and have lost what few marbles I had left and am just imagining all of this I haven't slept very much in two days now, so my thoughts are a bit jumbled, and I apologize if I'm not making any sense. Okay, just my random thoughts here as I am trying to work through this thing...now back to your regularly scheduled day

Kitty!

in Mystress europe-gallery is a picture, where She really looks scary ! (at least one)

So if i get fear from this, what would i have to surrender ? -- Mystress or the fear ?

I think it's quite similar with Spider!

Mhhh...
kitten and spider of same (female) sex should go well together. (HS ?)

Gals, don't be shy ))

kisses to spiders and cats,

juergen.

: Okay, I had a talk with the Spider. Apparently, she wants to eat me, that's all I got, that's my message.  Actually, I think the message is that I need to make some sort of change in my life or she WILL eat me or feed on my heart or something of that nature, whatever that means. Since this whole spider thing started I've been feeling so disconnected, utterly alone, and really blue...you know, unsure why I am here, that sorta thing. Maybe posting here will help lift some of my fog. Maybe I am just insane and have lost what few marbles I had left and am just imagining all of this I haven't slept very much in two days now, so my thoughts are a bit jumbled, and I apologize if I'm not making any sense. Okay, just my random thoughts here as I am trying to work through this thing...now back to your regularly scheduled day

Cool, Mystress

Would love to see You in the movies !
A Western ?

juergen.

: Let her eat you.

: : Okay, I had a talk with the Spider. Apparently, she wants to eat me, that's all I got, that's my message.  Actually, I think the message is that I need to make some sort of change in my life or she WILL eat me or feed on my heart or something of that nature, whatever that means. Since this whole spider thing started I've been feeling so disconnected, utterly alone, and really blue...you know, unsure why I am here, that sorta thing. Maybe posting here will help lift some of my fog. Maybe I am just insane and have lost what few marbles I had left and am just imagining all of this I haven't slept very much in two days now, so my thoughts are a bit jumbled, and I apologize if I'm not making any sense. Okay, just my random thoughts here as I am trying to work through this thing...now back to your regularly scheduled day

Wha? I thought entities were supposed to be tossed into the light or blasted with lasers or whatever.
Were we supposed to get rid of these entities, not let them devour us? Might as well as tell thoe people in the night of the living dead movies to take the boards off the windows too.

: Let her eat you.

: : Okay, I had a talk with the Spider. Apparently, she wants to eat me, that's all I got, that's my message.  Actually, I think the message is that I need to make some sort of change in my life or she WILL eat me or feed on my heart or something of that nature, whatever that means. Since this whole spider thing started I've been feeling so disconnected, utterly alone, and really blue...you know, unsure why I am here, that sorta thing. Maybe posting here will help lift some of my fog. Maybe I am just insane and have lost what few marbles I had left and am just imagining all of this I haven't slept very much in two days now, so my thoughts are a bit jumbled, and I apologize if I'm not making any sense. Okay, just my random thoughts here as I am trying to work through this thing...now back to your regularly scheduled day

No. Mystress suggests this is not an entity. Getting eaten in a vision or a dream doesn%rsquot kill you. On the contrary, it can be a good thing, as it is a symbolic ego death. It is rather common, I believe, that people who are kundalini awakened have such dreams or visions. This has been discussed before at this board.

: Wha? I thought entities were supposed to be tossed into the light or blasted with lasers or whatever.
: Were we supposed to get rid of these entities, not let them devour us? Might as well as tell thoe people in the night of the living dead movies to take the boards off the windows too.
:  
: : Let her eat you.

: : : Okay, I had a talk with the Spider. Apparently, she wants to eat me, that's all I got, that's my message.  Actually, I think the message is that I need to make some sort of change in my life or she WILL eat me or feed on my heart or something of that nature, whatever that means. Since this whole spider thing started I've been feeling so disconnected, utterly alone, and really blue...you know, unsure why I am here, that sorta thing. Maybe posting here will help lift some of my fog. Maybe I am just insane and have lost what few marbles I had left and am just imagining all of this I haven't slept very much in two days now, so my thoughts are a bit jumbled, and I apologize if I'm not making any sense. Okay, just my random thoughts here as I am trying to work through this thing...now back to your regularly scheduled day

Fear is ego and ego is the only thing in us that can be eaten, i think.
So the spider would be a friend...

...another thought:
Do entities excite fear?

In the latest threat about entities, Mystress gave some clear hints: that entities are split personalities created by ourselves to whom we give part of us, creations cherished, not feared.

What remains would then be an aspect of our(Kitty's) spiritual self, one that ego fears:

fear, in fear to be eaten

juergen.

: Wha? I thought entities were supposed to be tossed into the light or blasted with lasers or whatever.
: Were we supposed to get rid of these entities, not let them devour us? Might as well as tell thoe people in the night of the living dead movies to take the boards off the windows too.
:  
: : Let her eat you.

: : : Okay, I had a talk with the Spider. Apparently, she wants to eat me, that's all I got, that's my message.  Actually, I think the message is that I need to make some sort of change in my life or she WILL eat me or feed on my heart or something of that nature, whatever that means. Since this whole spider thing started I've been feeling so disconnected, utterly alone, and really blue...you know, unsure why I am here, that sorta thing. Maybe posting here will help lift some of my fog. Maybe I am just insane and have lost what few marbles I had left and am just imagining all of this I haven't slept very much in two days now, so my thoughts are a bit jumbled, and I apologize if I'm not making any sense. Okay, just my random thoughts here as I am trying to work through this thing...now back to your regularly scheduled day

: Let her eat you.

Ok, maybe that was too cryptic. You were in distress and I was on my way out the door.

 Whether you are eaten by Kali or by Grandmother Spider, makes no difference. K is awake, you are food. Resisting makes you feel awful.

 Don't worry, the process will be painless and you will feel fabulous after. Grandmother spider is Goddess mercy on 8 legs.

 If you like, you can ask her to wait until you are asleep... then take a sedative if you need to, or a nice cup of chamomile tea with honey. might not be necessary, agreeing to be eaten will probably make you sleepy.

 If you are still afraid, here are some words to use:  "Grandmother spider, if Goddess within me called you here to eat me, then Her will be done. I am human and afraid, so please wait until I am asleep. Thank you."

 Blessings...  

: : Okay, I had a talk with the Spider. Apparently, she wants to eat me, that's all I got, that's my message.  Actually, I think the message is that I need to make some sort of change in my life or she WILL eat me or feed on my heart or something of that nature, whatever that means. Since this whole spider thing started I've been feeling so disconnected, utterly alone, and really blue...you know, unsure why I am here, that sorta thing. Maybe posting here will help lift some of my fog. Maybe I am just insane and have lost what few marbles I had left and am just imagining all of this I haven't slept very much in two days now, so my thoughts are a bit jumbled, and I apologize if I'm not making any sense. Okay, just my random thoughts here as I am trying to work through this thing...now back to your regularly scheduled day

Resistance is futile, yet I seem to be full of it! Beautiful suggestions Mystress, thanks!! It has been several days now since sleeping well and yeah, I don't feel very good at all. I took your suggestion last night, and as I felt the drowsiness come on, I also felt my own fears and limitations set in and kick the drowsiness away. With my whole heart I repeated the affirmation you suggested several times. I finally fell asleep only to have strange dreams of many planes falling out of the sky and bursting into flames right in front of me (um, am I afraid of crashing and burning or what!). Later in the dream, I was in a house, being chased by a large black bear who, can you guess, wanted to eat me, yes. He kept nipping at my heels and legs as I ran and was tearing through this house tearing a path through everything in the way. It was actually kind of funny, now that I think about it! At one point, I turned and started petting him on his head like I would my pup, and he responded very lovingly, but then somehow my fear took over and the chase resumed. I will just keep trying to get past my ridiculous fears and get eaten whether it's a bear or a spider --what is up with all the animals?--, as I don't think I have a choice, do I?

: : Let her eat you.

: Ok, maybe that was too cryptic. You were in distress and I was on my way out the door.

:   Whether you are eaten by Kali or by Grandmother Spider, makes no difference. K is awake, you are food. Resisting makes you feel awful.

:   Don't worry, the process will be painless and you will feel fabulous after. Grandmother spider is Goddess mercy on 8 legs.

:   If you like, you can ask her to wait until you are asleep... then take a sedative if you need to, or a nice cup of chamomile tea with honey. might not be necessary, agreeing to be eaten will probably make you sleepy.

:   If you are still afraid, here are some words to use:  "Grandmother spider, if Goddess within me called you here to eat me, then Her will be done. I am human and afraid, so please wait until I am asleep. Thank you."

:   Blessings...  

: : : Okay, I had a talk with the Spider. Apparently, she wants to eat me, that's all I got, that's my message.  Actually, I think the message is that I need to make some sort of change in my life or she WILL eat me or feed on my heart or something of that nature, whatever that means. Since this whole spider thing started I've been feeling so disconnected, utterly alone, and really blue...you know, unsure why I am here, that sorta thing. Maybe posting here will help lift some of my fog. Maybe I am just insane and have lost what few marbles I had left and am just imagining all of this I haven't slept very much in two days now, so my thoughts are a bit jumbled, and I apologize if I'm not making any sense. Okay, just my random thoughts here as I am trying to work through this thing...now back to your regularly scheduled day

i did a search for "grandmother spider" together with 'kali' on yahoo and looked for articles with the keywords in ONE paragraph, and found this:

http://www.shematrix.com/sacredfem.htm">kali & grandma

the paragraph is next to Black Kali; it's amazing how much She looks like a Spider when focussing on the trunk with 8 legs(arms), even the face suits well.

juergen.

: : Let her eat you.

: Ok, maybe that was too cryptic. You were in distress and I was on my way out the door.

:   Whether you are eaten by Kali or by Grandmother Spider, makes no difference. K is awake, you are food. Resisting makes you feel awful.

:   Don't worry, the process will be painless and you will feel fabulous after. Grandmother spider is Goddess mercy on 8 legs.

:   If you like, you can ask her to wait until you are asleep... then take a sedative if you need to, or a nice cup of chamomile tea with honey. might not be necessary, agreeing to be eaten will probably make you sleepy.

:   If you are still afraid, here are some words to use:  "Grandmother spider, if Goddess within me called you here to eat me, then Her will be done. I am human and afraid, so please wait until I am asleep. Thank you."

:   Blessings...  

: : : Okay, I had a talk with the Spider. Apparently, she wants to eat me, that's all I got, that's my message.  Actually, I think the message is that I need to make some sort of change in my life or she WILL eat me or feed on my heart or something of that nature, whatever that means. Since this whole spider thing started I've been feeling so disconnected, utterly alone, and really blue...you know, unsure why I am here, that sorta thing. Maybe posting here will help lift some of my fog. Maybe I am just insane and have lost what few marbles I had left and am just imagining all of this I haven't slept very much in two days now, so my thoughts are a bit jumbled, and I apologize if I'm not making any sense. Okay, just my random thoughts here as I am trying to work through this thing...now back to your regularly scheduled day

"She is serpent and lion, she-bear and spider." ...ok, how funny considering my bear dream

Holy moly Juergen, you are SO right, she DOES look very spider-like there, and this is a great link.

: i did a search for "grandmother spider" together with 'kali' on yahoo and looked for articles with the keywords in ONE paragraph, and found this:

: http://www.shematrix.com/sacredfem.htm">kali & grandma

: the paragraph is next to Black Kali; it's amazing how much She looks like a Spider when focussing on the trunk with 8 legs(arms), even the face suits well.

: juergen.

: um, am I afraid of crashing and burning or what

in a former post, i think You mentioned a car accident ?

sounds like this old trauma is confronting you, through these nightmares and again and again Your old terrifying picture of a spider(and new additions); now it seems like one sink full of dishes altogether.

Having escaped death from the shovel may result in a desire to be 100% save.
Mixed with spider and bear threat issues, which is also about safety, since they have been declared to very dangerous/repugnant symbols. (She - symbols). Thus conformistic safety too.
Sort of : "Keep away from them or you get some...".

Being also a strong Goddess - symbol , the Spider may "haunt" You in a confusing way: as a friend(though You didn't know) and life-threatening altogether. Thus Your hesitance: petting Bear, or better run( very cartoon-style; with fun-potential, if not that sad  ).

Then again, Kali can appear frightening, even as a Friend. Vampire Friend !
Then it depends, what Vampire You'd love to become

Guess, You'll relax soon !

(Bear-) hugs,

juergen.

: "She is serpent and lion, she-bear and spider." ...ok, how funny considering my bear dream

.......he he indeed, what a surprise!

: Holy moly Juergen, you are SO right, she DOES look very spider-like there, and this is a great link.

......Yeah, always something to learn, blissfully.

: : i did a search for "grandmother spider" together with 'kali' on yahoo and looked for articles with the keywords in ONE paragraph, and found this:

: : http://www.shematrix.com/sacredfem.htm">kali & grandma

: : the paragraph is next to Black Kali; it's amazing how much She looks like a Spider when focussing on the trunk with 8 legs(arms), even the face suits well.

: : juergen.

The dreams...planes falling, blowing up, you - tossing everything in your path to the bear, allowing the munch.  All your yummy junk...your sticky karma stuff - all of it being blown up, tossed away and eaten.  What a cleanse...

You know that thread is 14 years old?  

Nope.  Didn't notice.  I did think 'wow...Juergen is back?' lol 

  I like it when people read the archives, a lot of good stuff in there.