I just got to the lesson on kegels. Previsously, I have been practicing similar exercises as part of tantric kundalini yoga. I stopped doing it three years ago when I was for several months overwhelmed with an explosion of kundalini energy. I still have a really sensible energy system. I most often only have to think about kundalini for energy to rise up my spine. So I don%rsquot need kegels for that. Is there some other good reason for practicing them? I am also a little bit afraid that I might get to much energy once more, although when I get energy rushes nowdays I most often cool down and return to normal rather fast.

It's said that for every hour of kundalini yoga you need several hours of karma yoga.. It stirs up so much stuff.  If you already feel things are stirred up, why stir more up? That's part of the whole pacing deal.  I used to respond to overwhelming situations by overwhelming myself even more, didn't work very well, was more like getting a dose of instant karma.

I only practice kriyas if I feel that things need to get moving, and at the same time feel grounded. You probably already know how kegels work since you have practiced kundalini yoga, like moolbandh and stuff like that.. It's pretty much the same thing, different names and slightly different ways of focus depending on the tradition.

My advice would be to just go easy on it. Often it seems that an awakened K spontaneously provides with more than enough stuff to deal with as it is.

I sometimes use kegels when I feel something wants to move up and out but is having a difficult time with it, give things a nudge.  Often makes my body wiggle like a snake.

Namaste
Gustaf

: I just got to the lesson on kegels. Previsously, I have been practicing similar exercises as part of tantric kundalini yoga. I stopped doing it three years ago when I was for several months overwhelmed with an explosion of kundalini energy. I still have a really sensible energy system. I most often only have to think about kundalini for energy to rise up my spine. So I don%rsquot need kegels for that. Is there some other good reason for practicing them? I am also a little bit afraid that I might get to much energy once more, although when I get energy rushes nowdays I most often cool down and return to normal rather fast.

Good advice Gustaf - several hours of karma yoga for one hour of kundalini yoga.

I read something from Mystress before that said that doing the PC exercise can put you into psychosis.

I accepted this and wondered if I should be doing these exercises. I was already having the kriyas of the PC muscle, so I figured that I could do them, at least a little bit. I also realized that the exercises that my chiropractor was giving to me were excercising this area any ways. I assume things like jogging also exercises this area.

I think the body will tell you if you should be doing them or not.

Scott

: It's said that for every hour of kundalini yoga you need several hours of karma yoga.. It stirs up so much stuff.  If you already feel

Yes, I know from experience that I have to be really careful. Kundalini blasts are really blissful and the bliss might last for weeks. But then things are sometimes %ndash but not always %ndash stirred up in my body, so that I get stomach problems, muscle cramps or whatever. I try to find an equilibrium where the kundalini is activated enough for me to feel good, but still not enough to stir up to much karma. I don%rsquot normally need kegels to attain or preserve such equilibrium. Doing them might even make it more difficult to preserve the equilibrium.

My question is if there are some specific benefits, apart from activating kundalini, which follow from practicing kegels, e.g. the cleansing of some specific parts or the energy system (such as the root chakra), and which makes it wise to practice them even if I don%rsquot need them to activate my kundalini. I also wonder if my sensibility might eventually go away if I practice such exercises. In yoga it is often said that one should practice more of those exercises which feel problematic at first. And normally that appears to be true. About a year ago I was still unable to move my awareness up and down my spine without getting my kundalini overly activated. But I got over that with practice. Maybe it will turn out to be the same with the kegels?

Yes, my body will tell if I can do them, but not right away and the body%rsquos answer might differ from time to time. Sometimes there is too much karma to be released, sometimes not.

I don%rsquot think this exact muscle (or, if you include the other similar exercises, these muscles) is normally trained by general physical exercise such as jogging. You have to locate it and contract it specifically.

  Hello:

 Use your own discernment. Kriya yoga is powerful, and that is why the instruction comes near the end of the course, after a lot of instruction on grounding and surrender.

 There are advantages to becoming a larger vessel of Shakti, raising your vibration, and clearing karma is how that happens. The danger is if you stir up more karma than you can surrender, and go into resistance.

 I encourage people to push their limits a little, to grow and expand... but not to break them altogether. It is like Hatha yoga. Stretch to the limit then relax into the pose and stretch a little further... but don't lose balance and rip a tendon!

 So, practice kriyas for two minutes, then monitor yourself with mindfulness in the hours and days following. If it is OK, then try 5 minutes, and so on.

  You will know if you are overdoing it because you will be sort of moody and hypersensitive... which is OK if you can just be by yourself and process, but it is not good if you forget and start being cranky with other people, or paranoid.

 Personally, along my path I have often invoked as much Shakti as I could, and enjoyed the bliss and weathered the bumpiness all in service to becoming a larger vessel... a wider deeper river.

 Yup, I did go a little crazy a few times, but Amazing Grace and good friends always hauled me out on a bungee cord... and I had the freedom to do it. No kids, no responsibilities, self employed.

 Even still, if I feel a need to do a lot of cleansing I turn inward, disappear from the lists and tea room for a while, so I won't be spewing stuff on people.  

 Blessings...

: I just got to the lesson on kegels. Previsously, I have been practicing similar exercises as part of tantric kundalini yoga. I stopped doing it three years ago when I was for several months overwhelmed with an explosion of kundalini energy. I still have a really sensible energy system. I most often only have to think about kundalini for energy to rise up my spine. So I don%rsquot need kegels for that. Is there some other good reason for practicing them? I am also a little bit afraid that I might get to much energy once more, although when I get energy rushes nowdays I most often cool down and return to normal rather fast.

I think that taking it to the limit is good. The place I spend a lot of my time in is at my work as a tool salesman. A few weeks ago I had a vacation for one week. It was great. I was totally mellowed out. Then when I started again I returned to the state of mind blowing and unbelievable stress. Stress seems to be the default mode!

No pain, no gain!

This guy I talk to says that "living a life of bliss would be boring."

Scott

Wow! Two minutes! I can do it once, or maybe twice, but even then it most often brings up a lot of energy. My discernment says %ldquobe really careful%rdquo, but still I feel as if there is something that can be achieved with these exercises, but I don%rsquot feel really sure about what it is. I guess it has something to do with the base chakra and suppressed feelings stored in that area.

What I get when getting to much energy is actually mostly body symptoms. They are most often from my stomach, but I can also get muscle cramps and pain in my body. My mood seems to be dependent on some kind of balance. I need to have enough energy in my body to feel good. And when I have I feel really good. There is a lot of creative energy in me and it influences people around me to. Then there might be a fall of energy and I get tired. When this happens it sometimes helps to get more energy (e.g. from grounding or chakra meditation). But sometimes it is as if the creative energy stops running though my body. I feel bad with no external reason. Raising more energy will then only causes more pain in my stomach. There is an energy blockage which has to be released. When that has been achieved, I feel good again.

What really can get me out of balance as nothing else is when jealous people are interfering to sabotage my plans. Then it is my intellectual reaction, my thoughts about it, that can put me in a moody and hypervigilant state. The thoughts also bring up feelings. Sometimes they are extremely strong, and kind of overwhelming. But they still differ significantly from feelings brought up by energy movements.

I suppose getting into resistance is getting into a state of fear? Sometimes I feel as if the creative energy is blocked. It is as if my body gets heavy. I feel bad although I shouldn%rsquot. Then I sometimes start to feel bad %ndash and guilty and frustrated %ndash about that to. I feel as if I am somehow blocking my own creativity, but am still unable to release it. %ldquoNow I am really in resistance!%rdquo, I think, and feel even more guilty. But I suppose that is not resistance? When I had an extreme amount of energy back in 2003, it still never influenced my mind. Even when I was as worse, I was diagnosed as mentally healthy (although I had a stress problem). I will sure try to avoid releasing so much energy again! When strong feelings come up, I don%rsquot mind that much. It%rsquos much better than the body problems. And that most often happens when I am alone at home, watching a movie or something. I can feel intense sadness and cry for an hour or more, or feel fear or shame. The intense feelings are most often easy to tack back to the energy movements behind them. Thus, I can have the feeling and concentrate on the chakra where a blockage is just about to let go, and that actually feel really good. After some time I don%rsquot even know if I am crying for joy or for grief.

Yesterday evening I was at a yoga class (kundalini yoga). At the end of the physical exercises we relaxed on the floor. There was a lot of energy in my body, mostly in the head. I also immediately had a vision of Mystress face above me, watching down at me, as if she was watching over me or something. It was a joyful experience and it lasted for most of the time I was relaxing on the floor (maybe ten minutes).

:   Hello:

:   Use your own discernment. Kriya yoga is powerful, and that is why the instruction comes near the end of the course, after a lot of instruction on grounding and surrender.

:   There are advantages to becoming a larger vessel of Shakti, raising your vibration, and clearing karma is how that happens. The danger is if you stir up more karma than you can surrender, and go into resistance.

:   I encourage people to push their limits a little, to grow and expand... but not to break them altogether. It is like Hatha yoga. Stretch to the limit then relax into the pose and stretch a little further... but don't lose balance and rip a tendon!

:   So, practice kriyas for two minutes, then monitor yourself with mindfulness in the hours and days following. If it is OK, then try 5 minutes, and so on.

:    You will know if you are overdoing it because you will be sort of moody and hypersensitive... which is OK if you can just be by yourself and process, but it is not good if you forget and start being cranky with other people, or paranoid.

:   Personally, along my path I have often invoked as much Shakti as I could, and enjoyed the bliss and weathered the bumpiness all in service to becoming a larger vessel... a wider deeper river.

:   Yup, I did go a little crazy a few times, but Amazing Grace and good friends always hauled me out on a bungee cord... and I had the freedom to do it. No kids, no responsibilities, self employed.

:   Even still, if I feel a need to do a lot of cleansing I turn inward, disappear from the lists and tea room for a while, so I won't be spewing stuff on people.  

:   Blessings...  

I am living a life of bliss for extended periods and it is very far from boring. I feel more alive. I am smiling (or feel like smiling) most of the time. I have more energy. Everything I do feels more fulfilling. Swami Satyananda wrote somewhere (in his book Kundalini Tantra I think) that living outside the ashram with an awakened kundalini is a tough experience, and I can sure validate his observation. I am not sure, but personally I feel that externally caused stress should be limited and not considered a tool for success. If we can handle it and stay grounded, it%rsquos fine. But often, the stress from the kundalini process is just enough for me, thank your!

: I think that taking it to the limit is good. The place I spend a lot of my time in is at my work as a tool salesman. A few weeks ago I had a vacation for one week. It was great. I was totally mellowed out. Then when I started again I returned to the state of mind blowing and unbelievable stress. Stress seems to be the default mode!

: No pain, no gain!

: This guy I talk to says that "living a life of bliss would be boring."

: Scott

Heya:

 Well, personally I do kegels to the max when I get the urge... plus I have a pretty intense sex life and the internal musculature of a tantric Priestess.  Well, actually perhaps less often than that... sometimes I am too lazy, but I bring stuff up and blow it out.

 For example... in Sweden, I was feeling muddy from the weight of all the karma incoming from having done so many workshops. You remember, in the third eye karma clearing portion I invited people to look at all the karma incoming to me as a result of giving energy to people and attention, Shaktipat. Most of it was burning off on the outer layers of my aura but I probably appeared physically, kind of tired, even a little older than my physical age.

 I was also feeling empathy with some other folks second chakra blockages and had to blow it loose.

  So I did the stone egg yoni workout while strolling the streets of Stockholm. A stone egg is very heavy, gravity works.   Keeping one inside a yoni while walking around, takes a lot of kriya. The stone egg affects the G-spot, with predictable results that make it even harder to continue to contain the egg, requiring harder and more continuous kriyas, until you are leaning against a pillar pretending to adjust your shoe so you can let yourself go limp and your eyes roll up into your head as the zig zag lightning of Shakti shivers up your spine and explodes in your head. I had it in for hours and only took it out because my PC and lower stomach muscles were getting so exhausted and I was afraid I'd sneeze and drop the egg.

 but hey, that is me... I have an appetite for intensity and Kundalini is my full time job. I have a responsibility and a preference to be as clear and transparent as possible, and can schedule my life around that. I'm a pretty big vessel already so I can trigger that and surf on it for fun. The endorphin glow leaves me too blissed out to resist surrendering whatever comes up.

 I'm also kind of careful who I join in empathy with, while doing it. Maybe Gustaf and Lady Quills can share what kind of energy was coming off me.

 There is value to becoming a clearer vessel, more bliss, better synchronicities, more "Goddess has it handled" ... but you have to pace yourself and proceed carefully because if you bring up more than you can handle and go into resistance, then things get very bumpy.  

 Blessings!  

Wow!! That%rsquos impressive! And very sexy (triggers a lot of fantasies though). If I could only convince my wife to practice such exercises! I need a lot of sex too and it also triggers energy, as kegels do. More energy is good as long as it does not trigger my power chakra blockage. Making love to my wife seldom does that, but makes me feel better instead. And while doing it I can even do kegels without getting much extra energy. I don%rsquot like solo sex as much, and it often activates my blockage so that I have to stop; especially right now, as I have a persistent cold (or influenza) which is also triggering energy and making my stomach kind of stiff. I suspect it is part of the power chakra cleansing process. Having %ldquospiritual sex%rdquo with that higher self that fed me with energy with strong feelings of love and lust felt almost better than an orgasm, and really healthy too. I feel like inviting her again. But I hesitate. Is it really okay to have an affair with a higher self? If so, I might go for higher selves in the future. Anyway, I would like to know more about non-physical love-making.

: Wow!! That%rsquos impressive! And very sexy (triggers a lot of fantasies though).

I suspect it is part of the power chakra cleansing process. Having %ldquospiritual sex%rdquo with that higher self that fed me with energy with strong feelings of love and lust felt almost better than an orgasm, and really healthy too. I feel like inviting her again. But I hesitate. Is it really okay to have an affair with a higher self? If so, I might go for higher selves in the future.

No, its not ok, not unless you have consent of the ego of the person it belongs to. Jeez, I teach you to do a higher self negotation entirely through the angels to keep your ego out of it, and now you want to seduce people's higher selves? Heh, not clear on the concept, eh?

 So I will try to clarify. In theory, the higher self has free will and could refuse any advances... but it doesn't have as much in the way of boundaries as the ego does so it may say yes when the ego identity would say no... and the karma of that would bite your ass.

  The nature of the higher self is that it is closer to spirit than the ego... which also makes it emotionally childlike. Innocent, especially when it comes to sexuality... it just wants to love.

  So, seducing someone's higher self if you don't have consent of their ego is a little suspect, like seducing a child or drunk person.

  That the act will ripple down into the ego self of the person is expected, and the form it might take is completely unpredictable.

Anyway, I would like to know more about non-physical love-making.

I know a lot about it, but I am not going to teach about it here. This course is about your relationship with your Divine Beloved.  Aim your abundant sexual energy at Goddess within you, and have none before.

I knew you would say something like that! It WAS too good to be true!

But once you actually suggested contacting the higher self of another person directly to try and sort out some sort of problem. That was what I was thinking of doing the second time %ndash but I never got that far and had actually almost decided not to do it when she due up. (The first time she due up at the end of the higher self negotiation %ndash and actually before I had finished it.)

But what if she would due up again, uninvited? I suppose I would have to ask her to stop, as I would with a child or a drunk? Then I would need a lot of discipline! If only my DB wasn%rsquot that invisible!!

: : Wow!! That%rsquos impressive! And very sexy (triggers a lot of fantasies though).

:

:  I suspect it is part of the power chakra cleansing process. Having %ldquospiritual sex%rdquo with that higher self that fed me with energy with strong feelings of love and lust felt almost better than an orgasm, and really healthy too. I feel like inviting her again. But I hesitate. Is it really okay to have an affair with a higher self? If so, I might go for higher selves in the future.

: No, its not ok, not unless you have consent of the ego of the person it belongs to. Jeez, I teach you to do a higher self negotation entirely through the angels to keep your ego out of it, and now you want to seduce people's higher selves? Heh, not clear on the concept, eh?

:   So I will try to clarify. In theory, the higher self has free will and could refuse any advances... but it doesn't have as much in the way of boundaries as the ego does so it may say yes when the ego identity would say no... and the karma of that would bite your ass.
:  
:    The nature of the higher self is that it is closer to spirit than the ego... which also makes it emotionally childlike. Innocent, especially when it comes to sexuality... it just wants to love.

:    So, seducing someone's higher self if you don't have consent of their ego is a little suspect, like seducing a child or drunk person.
:  
:    That the act will ripple down into the ego self of the person is expected, and the form it might take is completely unpredictable.

: Anyway, I would like to know more about non-physical love-making.

:   I know a lot about it, but I am not going to teach about it here. This course is about your relationship with your Divine Beloved.  Aim your abundant sexual energy at Goddess within you, and have none before.

: I knew you would say something like that! It WAS too good to be true!

In some things, I am consistent...

: But once you actually suggested contacting the higher self of another person directly to try and sort out some sort of problem.

Hmm, I don't remember that. It is something I might do only as a last resort, very very rarely. If I said that, I probably also added a sort of disclaimer, that if you feel the need to do that then look inward - it means there is something you think Goddess won't handle, that requires your personal intervention. A lack of faith and a desire to control others.

 You could advertise on K-sex list looking for an astral lover, then play consensually... but be warned, there are plenty of posts in those archives of people begging for info on how to *break* an astral connection that is no longer wanted.

  It makes a deep connection, a bond that can be difficult to break... harder than a physical divorce.  That is another reason I discourage my students from fantasizing about me. You need to make that bond with Goddess within yourself.

 Blessings...  

: That was what I was thinking of doing the second time %ndash but I never got that far and had actually almost decided not to do it when she due up. (The first time she due up at the end of the higher self negotiation %ndash and actually before I had finished it.)

: But what if she would due up again, uninvited? I suppose I would have to ask her to stop, as I would with a child or a drunk? Then I would need a lot of discipline! If only my DB wasn%rsquot that invisible!!

: : : Wow!! That%rsquos impressive! And very sexy (triggers a lot of fantasies though).

: :

: :  I suspect it is part of the power chakra cleansing process. Having %ldquospiritual sex%rdquo with that higher self that fed me with energy with strong feelings of love and lust felt almost better than an orgasm, and really healthy too. I feel like inviting her again. But I hesitate. Is it really okay to have an affair with a higher self? If so, I might go for higher selves in the future.

: : No, its not ok, not unless you have consent of the ego of the person it belongs to. Jeez, I teach you to do a higher self negotation entirely through the angels to keep your ego out of it, and now you want to seduce people's higher selves? Heh, not clear on the concept, eh?

: :   So I will try to clarify. In theory, the higher self has free will and could refuse any advances... but it doesn't have as much in the way of boundaries as the ego does so it may say yes when the ego identity would say no... and the karma of that would bite your ass.
: :  
: :    The nature of the higher self is that it is closer to spirit than the ego... which also makes it emotionally childlike. Innocent, especially when it comes to sexuality... it just wants to love.

: :    So, seducing someone's higher self if you don't have consent of their ego is a little suspect, like seducing a child or drunk person.
: :  
: :    That the act will ripple down into the ego self of the person is expected, and the form it might take is completely unpredictable.

: : Anyway, I would like to know more about non-physical love-making.

: :   I know a lot about it, but I am not going to teach about it here. This course is about your relationship with your Divine Beloved.  Aim your abundant sexual energy at Goddess within you, and have none before.

This might have been a really old post, maybe one of the first at k-list 1996 or so. I think you advised this method "if nothing else works". But I don%rsquot remember any disclaimer. I will send the post to you if I se it again. I would never consider astral sex or higher self sex with a woman whom I am not really fond of to begin with and those are really few (my wife, the women in question and one or two more). But I will focus on trying to contact my DB again.

: : But once you actually suggested contacting the higher self of another person directly to try and sort out some sort of problem.

: Hmm, I don't remember that. It is something I might do only as a last resort, very very rarely. If I said that, I probably also added a sort of disclaimer, that if you feel the need to do that then look inward - it means there is something you think Goddess won't handle, that requires your personal intervention. A lack of faith and a desire to control others.

:   You could advertise on K-sex list looking for an astral lover, then play consensually... but be warned, there are plenty of posts in those archives of people begging for info on how to *break* an astral connection that is no longer wanted.

:    It makes a deep connection, a bond that can be difficult to break... harder than a physical divorce.  That is another reason I discourage my students from fantasizing about me. You need to make that bond with Goddess within yourself.

:   Blessings...

  wow, that is going way back... in 1996 I was not yet done with my own process... a lot of what I have learned about the laws of the power chakra came later. Blessings!

: This might have been a really old post, maybe one of the first at k-list 1996 or so. I think you advised this method "if nothing else works". But I don%rsquot remember any disclaimer. I will send the post to you if I se it again. I would never consider astral sex or higher self sex with a woman whom I am not really fond of to begin with and those are really few (my wife, the women in question and one or two more). But I will focus on trying to contact my DB again.

: : : But once you actually suggested contacting the higher self of another person directly to try and sort out some sort of problem.

: : Hmm, I don't remember that. It is something I might do only as a last resort, very very rarely. If I said that, I probably also added a sort of disclaimer, that if you feel the need to do that then look inward - it means there is something you think Goddess won't handle, that requires your personal intervention. A lack of faith and a desire to control others.

: :   You could advertise on K-sex list looking for an astral lover, then play consensually... but be warned, there are plenty of posts in those archives of people begging for info on how to *break* an astral connection that is no longer wanted.

: :    It makes a deep connection, a bond that can be difficult to break... harder than a physical divorce.  That is another reason I discourage my students from fantasizing about me. You need to make that bond with Goddess within yourself.

: :   Blessings...