I recently read the book "Celestine Prophecies" that Mystress suggested. It was a very good book that made me think a lot about things that I'd not considered before.

I've figured out that my main drama all my life was the "Poor Me" drama that I probably inherited from my mother, who was also very very invested in the "Poor Me" drama.

In looking back at my family life, I've actually realized that just about everybody in my family are interrogators. They all ask questions and subtly seek out things that are "wrong" with me so they can comment on them. Because of this, and my resulting "poor me" drama, I grew up questioning -everything- about myself. I never had any self-confidence because I was always certain that -something- I was doing was wrong or could be done better, etc. I don't think the book talks about this, but I think that maybe my use of the "poor me" drama actually attracted other "interrogators" to me, because just about every friend I had when I lived in the states was also an interrogator.

Normally interrogators spawn the "aloof" drama, which I did have a little of, but I often fought the feeling of wanting to be aloof with people, and as a result of that usually ended up over-sharing with people, either scaring them off or giving them tons of ammo to use against me, thereby keeping my whole "poor me" thing intact.

So now that I've identified my drama, I'm starting to examine all the things in my life now that had their beginning in this power struggle.

Its funny but Gustaf and I were discussing something the other night and it kinda shocked me when he told me that there isn't always somebody watching me, ready to judge me. I have -always- felt like I'm never alone, like there is constantly somebody watching me, waiting to comment on just about everything I do. In fact, I realized that I have spent sooooo much of my time while doing normal every day tasks, thinking of what I would say to the person who will question me about what I'm doing and why I'm doing it the way I'm doing and so on! This was my normal thought process, constant paranoia! And I never even realized it was odd or unnecessary until Gustaf and I had that conversation. How funny is that?

Another thing that came up in the midst of this self-study was the fact that everybody around me kept telling me how they loved to do their exercising outdoors. They love to go for walks or do something that gets something else accomplished at the same time as getting exercise. They didn't like gyms. I like going to the gym. (Even though it never ever shows any results toward weight loss, I love the energy it gives me to work out.) I love to go to the gym every day and walk on the tread mill and use the weight machines, and all that. But, for some reason, I have never felt like I wanted to go for walks outside or things like that. It really doesn't make any sense. But, in trying to figure out why that is, I realized that one reason for that is because I can't "prove" I've gone for a walk. I can't "prove" I've done what I'm "supposed" to do for the day. Because I always feel I have to have proof that I've done something to combat my obesity, otherwise people will think I'm lazy and worthless.

See, my father constantly berated me for being overweight. He hated that I was fat. He called me butterball and told me nobody would ever want to be with a fat girl. He would put me on diets that were literally starvation diets, and my step-mother had her daughters who were also my age watch me while I was at school and they were told to report back anything I said, did or ate while at school. So, I always had to have an explanation for EVERYTHING I did back then. And since my childhood, there have been more people than I can possibly count in my life who have tried to "help" me lose weight. They've commented on my weight, offered "advice" and inevitably sneered in disgust and shook their heads when they saw that I was not losing weight after all -their- efforts to help me.

The problem is, once I gained all the weight I did, I leveled off and now, I my weight has not fluctuated, neither up nor down, more than 7 lbs in like 10 years, -despite- doing everything I could to lose weight. And believe me, I've tried just about everything. I never had much trouble sticking to diets, I've always had a decent self-control. I did diets, I worked out in the gym every day for 2 hours, and took yoga classes twice a week. I did Herbalife, I went to food counselers and Weight Watchers and dieticians, had every doctor's test to make sure my body was functioning as it should be, everything a person could do. However, I've still never lost any more than around 7 lbs. ...

But, even though I've done all these things and I know within myself that I've given it every effort possible, there is not one person in my life besides possibly Gustaf who doesn't express to me that they believe that my weight is entirely my -fault- and that I'm just not disciplined enough to do what it takes to lose it. So, because of my background with this issue and now understanding my "poor me" take on things, I'm realizing that I've deprived myself of some of the basic joys in life, just so I could have some sort of bizarre idea that I could -prove- myself to these people who are always telling me what I should do to help myself.

Wow, didn't mean to go off on that issue, guess it was something that needed to be surrendered to Goddess again. Heh

Anyway! I do have a question, and I'm hoping to get a bit of insight from anybody who understands this whole control drama thing. In the book, they described a couple ways to stop other people's dramas where they are so they don't throw you into your own drama, but I'm not quite sure on how to stop or avoid the control dramas of my closest friend right now.

She's older than me by about 20 years and has appointed herself my adopted mother. She's a wonderful lady, but she's an interrogator and a total control freak. lol. She's -always- got a comment on just about everything I do, which inevitably seems to throw me into my own reactive drama of defensiveness. She often acts as if she -always- knows best and if I disagree with her, or don't readily agree with her, she will shake her head or chuckle derisively or something else that lets me know how silly and childish she thinks I am for not seeing things "clearly". I always find myself explaining myself to her, which continues my own inner dialogs that I was talking about earlier about always preparing myself with an explanation should anybody ask me about something I'm doing or not doing.

I love this lady, she's a wonderful friend, and since I was still very invested in my own control dramas through-out our whole relationship thus far, I don't want to just up and change on her out of nowhere, ya know? I'm wondering if anybody has any insights on how to switch gears and stop these dramas in a way that won't offend or irritate her too much, I'd like to do it as subtley as possible, given her control issues. Any ideas?

Thanks for letting me ramble!

Namaste,

Kimberly

Hi Kimberely,

When I think of an answer to your question I feel like I could say that there are so many ways to over come this.

Initially when you wander into a controlling situation it appears as being something that you feel is positive because you are going for it, and upon engaging in the behaviour you realize that it is negative. I think you can transmute it, if you start to realize your own orbit (as Mystress once said).

Also perhaps giving up attatchments might be a good focus. "Right action with no concern for the outcome" as said in the Gita.

Also, maybe try and release your expectations that you will be victimized. I feel very strongly that this has helped me out the most.

In regard to weight issues, I received this e-mail from a healer named Norma Gentile. I hope it is permissable to post it here because I think it is good info:

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What I am noticing right now on HEALING......

It isn't just me. I was speaking with other healing practitioners who are noticing the same thing.  Thyroid imbalance is rampant.  And the truly interesting aspect is that most of the time the thyroid is not far enough out of balance to be 'ill' according to Western Medicine.

I keep noticing that thyroid issues are up for almost everyone I meet.  Our bodies are struggling with balancing the hormones that talk to our thyroid gland.  As a result, I'm seeing a rise in thyroid related weight gain, as well as the reverse - a sort of brittle overly tense mental state.  Most of us don't realize that night sweats and many menopausal symptoms can actually be the thyroid calling out for help.  

Several times in the past week I've been drawn to cozy up to someone's thyroid or liver or colon.  When I asked the client if they had noticed something, they each replied yes, and that they had sought medical tests because of their concern.  In each case the test results had been within normal range.  And yet their concern continued, and they were feeling the ongoing need to explore how to address what they felt was out of balance, regardless of what the official tests told them.

In each case my eyes and hands were guided by the angels and healing energies that work with me during healing sessions.  Because I was drawn to the same organs that clients had concerns about, it validated to both of us that their intuition was well intact, and that indeed the organs were not functioning optimally.
--

All the best,
Scott

Wow!

I have been having the same experience here in Germany.  8 out of my last 10 Reiki Clients were having Thyroid problems.  Is something stirring in the Universal energies causing this imbalance?  Seems a pretty big leap to just call something like that a coincidence (which I don't believe in anyway :-)).  If it is a karma issue then it seemd to have been released in a lot of people at one time....

Love and Light!

b0b

: In regard to weight issues, I received this e-mail from a healer named Norma Gentile. I hope it is permissable to post it here because I think it is good info:

: --
: What I am noticing right now on HEALING......

: It isn't just me. I was speaking with other healing practitioners who are noticing the same thing.  Thyroid imbalance is rampant.  And the truly interesting aspect is that most of the time the thyroid is not far enough out of balance to be 'ill' according to Western Medicine.

: I keep noticing that thyroid issues are up for almost everyone I meet.  Our bodies are struggling with balancing the hormones that talk to our thyroid gland.  As a result, I'm seeing a rise in thyroid related weight gain, as well as the reverse - a sort of brittle overly tense mental state.  Most of us don't realize that night sweats and many menopausal symptoms can actually be the thyroid calling out for help.  

: Several times in the past week I've been drawn to cozy up to someone's thyroid or liver or colon.  When I asked the client if they had noticed something, they each replied yes, and that they had sought medical tests because of their concern.  In each case the test results had been within normal range.  And yet their concern continued, and they were feeling the ongoing need to explore how to address what they felt was out of balance, regardless of what the official tests told them.

: In each case my eyes and hands were guided by the angels and healing energies that work with me during healing sessions.  Because I was drawn to the same organs that clients had concerns about, it validated to both of us that their intuition was well intact, and that indeed the organs were not functioning optimally.
: --

: All the best,
: Scott

: Also, maybe try and release your expectations that you will be victimized. I feel very strongly that this has helped me out the most.

yes

: In regard to weight issues, I received this e-mail from a healer named Norma Gentile. I hope it is permissable to post it here because I think it is good info:

If you have her permission to post it, then t is OK with me.

 There is a lesson where I explain about the thyroid chakra. The thyriod gland controls metabolism, it is in charge of how the body uses energy.

 The thyroid chakra is at the sternum, a bump of bone halfway between your throat and your heart, that fits neatly into the hollow palm of your hand. It should be a wide open mouth drinking in the pure sparkly white universal light that is the Water of Life, to nourish the body.

This chakra is closed in a lot of people, or reversed so they are giving life away.  Spewing the water out like a fountain gargoyle.

 Imagine the mouth drinking in the sparkling white light water until every part of you is filled. You may see it takes a while because if you are very parched it will be absorbed as it comes in, and disappear. Keep drinking until you are full of sparkling white light everywhere.

 Take note of the body's reaction to recieving the incoming light. Stress drains away, there is relaxation and peace, but also more energy for joy. Less hunger for control dramas.

 There are subtle thyriod imbalances, documenting morning basal temperature for a few months will get doctors to reconsider prescribing thyriod medication. Blessings!  

: --

Very interesting. I had nearly forgotten about the thyroid chakra since the tummo initiation. From my understanding of control dramas, the best way to transcend them is to feed energy from the cosmos instead. I've come to realize that grounding is one way and I am wondering..
 In the Celestine Prophecies they connect with universal energy by connecting with the world around them. I've tried this myself with quite wonderful results.  I just realized that the thyroid chakra is probably involved in that!

:   There is a lesson where I explain about the thyroid chakra. The thyriod gland controls metabolism, it is in charge of how the body uses energy.

:   The thyroid chakra is at the sternum, a bump of bone halfway between your throat and your heart, that fits neatly into the hollow palm of your hand. It should be a wide open mouth drinking in the pure sparkly white universal light that is the Water of Life, to nourish the body.

:  This chakra is closed in a lot of people, or reversed so they are giving life away.  Spewing the water out like a fountain gargoyle.

:   Imagine the mouth drinking in the sparkling white light water until every part of you is filled. You may see it takes a while because if you are very parched it will be absorbed as it comes in, and disappear. Keep drinking until you are full of sparkling white light everywhere.

:   Take note of the body's reaction to recieving the incoming light. Stress drains away, there is relaxation and peace, but also more energy for joy. Less hunger for control dramas.

:   There are subtle thyriod imbalances, documenting morning basal temperature for a few months will get doctors to reconsider prescribing thyriod medication. Blessings!  

: : --

 Hello, Kimberly:

 I get the sense that this post is more about giving stuff up to Goddess, than about asking advice.. but you ask a few questions so I'll comment.

: Its funny but Gustaf and I were discussing something the other night and it kinda shocked me when he told me that there isn't always somebody watching me, ready to judge me. I have -always- felt like I'm never alone, like there is constantly somebody watching me, waiting to comment on just about everything I do. In fact, I realized that I have spent sooooo much of my time while doing normal every day tasks, thinking of what I would say to the person who will question me about what I'm doing and why I'm doing it the way I'm doing and so on! This was my normal thought process, constant paranoia! And I never even realized it was odd or unnecessary until Gustaf and I had that conversation. How funny is that?

I used to have a voice like that too. An inner narrator explaining why all the time, and an inner critic too! I'd do the over-explaining thing, to people who questioned my actions, and one day a friend lovingly laughed at me and commented how I did not need to explain or justify!

 Now I tend to notice when I am feeling a need to justify my actions, and get more centered in myself, in not needing to defend my choices.  The result is maybe a little more aloof, but it also means being able to walk away instead of explaining to interrogators and engaging the control drama.  

 Reasons are ego, after all... most of the time. So often we will give ourselves a reason for doing something, then later realize that what we got out of doing it, was completely different from reasons and explanations. The belly brain decides, the ego rationalizes and justifies.

: Another thing that came up in the midst of this self-study was the fact that everybody around me kept telling me how they loved to do their exercising outdoors. They love to go for walks or do something that gets something else accomplished at the same time as getting exercise. They didn't like gyms.

Yeah, that's me! I find the gym very boring. I'd rather stay home, dance and do yoga, or go for a bike ride. I'd rather be accomplishing something, like gardening, raking the lawn or playing with cement sculpture (heavy stuff!)

 Just to work out with a machine... is too much like work!! Boring. I got a Wieder crossbow (like a Bowflex) for weight training, and I love how it makes me feel but rarely use it. We have two rowing machines, an inverter, ab crunchers, even a tens unit for electrical muscle stimulation... but they gather dust. druid would rather row a real boat, than row a machine.

: I like going to the gym. (Even though it never ever shows any results toward weight loss, I love the energy it gives me to work out.) I love to go to the gym every day and walk on the tread mill and use the weight machines, and all that. But, for some reason, I have never felt like I wanted to go for walks outside or things like that. It really doesn't make any sense. But, in trying to figure out why that is, I realized that one reason for that is because I can't "prove" I've gone for a walk. I can't "prove" I've done what I'm "supposed" to do for the day. Because I always feel I have to have proof that I've done something to combat my obesity, otherwise people will think I'm lazy and worthless.

Ah, you want witnesses for the defense.

: See, my father constantly berated me for being overweight. He hated that I was fat. He called me butterball and told me nobody would ever want to be with a fat girl. He would put me on diets that were literally starvation diets, and my step-mother had her daughters who were also my age watch me while I was at school and they were told to report back anything I said, did or ate while at school. So, I always had to have an explanation for EVERYTHING I did back then. And since my childhood, there have been more people than I can possibly count in my life who have tried to "help" me lose weight. They've commented on my weight, offered "advice" and inevitably sneered in disgust and shook their heads when they saw that I was not losing weight after all -their- efforts to help me.

OK, I am seeing two things here:

 First, accept that your father did what he did because he loves you and was concerned about your health, success and social adjustment. Yes he went too far... but see the love behind it.

 The other thing I am getting, and I may be off... but there is a part of you that still wants to prove him wrong. Like "See Dad, I can be fat and still be happily married, and successful and everything you said I could not have unless I lost weight."  

 You feel that his love was conditional on your being thin, and you are trying to prove worthy of the love but also to prove to him that the condition is irellevant. Of course it is irrellevant, always has been. He would not have tried to change you or been worried about your weight, unless he loved you.  

: The problem is, once I gained all the weight I did, I leveled off and now, I my weight has not fluctuated, neither up nor down, more than 7 lbs in like 10 years, -despite- doing everything I could to lose weight. And believe me, I've tried just about everything. I never had much trouble sticking to diets, I've always had a decent self-control. I did diets, I worked out in the gym every day for 2 hours, and took yoga classes twice a week. I did Herbalife, I went to food counselors and Weight Watchers and dietitians, had every doctor's test to make sure my body was functioning as it should be, everything a person could do. However, I've still never lost any more than around 7 lbs. ...

: But, even though I've done all these things and I know within myself that I've given it every effort possible, there is not one person in my life besides possibly Gustaf who doesn't express to me that they believe that my weight is entirely my -fault- and that I'm just not disciplined enough to do what it takes to lose it.

OK, so I want you to become aware of the courtroom, lawyers and judges and jury in your head, that you have been playing to, all these years.  Focus on it until the courtroom drama is clear on your inner TV, yet separate from you who is watching it.

  It is already there, but by imagining it clearly, naming it and observing it you can develop a more conscious relationship with it, and begin to see the absurdity that happens there,  instead of feeling you have to be always defending against the prosecution.

 When it all goes Alice in Wonderland (Off with her head, cried the red queen! - "Screw you" said Alice, "You are nothing but a pack of cards!") absurd comedy, it will cease to have any power over you, and you can pound the gavel "case dismissed!" and wake up from the dream.

: So, because of my background with this issue and now understanding my "poor me" take on things, I'm realizing that I've deprived myself of some of the basic joys in life, just so I could have some sort of bizarre idea that I could -prove- myself to these people who are always telling me what I should do to help myself.

: Wow, didn't mean to go off on that issue, guess it was something that needed to be surrendered to Goddess again. Heh

Cool!

: Anyway! I do have a question, and I'm hoping to get a bit of insight from anybody who understands this whole control drama thing. In the book, they described a couple ways to stop other people's dramas where they are so they don't throw you into your own drama, but I'm not quite sure on how to stop or avoid the control dramas of my closest friend right now.

: She's older than me by about 20 years and has appointed herself my adopted mother. She's a wonderful lady, but she's an interrogator and a total control freak. lol. She's -always- got a comment on just about everything I do, which inevitably seems to throw me into my own reactive drama of defensiveness. She often acts as if she -always- knows best and if I disagree with her, or don't readily agree with her, she will shake her head or chuckle derisively or something else that lets me know how silly and childish she thinks I am for not seeing things "clearly". I always find myself explaining myself to her, which continues my own inner dialogs that I was talking about earlier about always preparing myself with an explanation should anybody ask me about something I'm doing or not doing.

: I love this lady, she's a wonderful friend, and since I was still very invested in my own control dramas through-out our whole relationship thus far, I don't want to just up and change on her out of nowhere, ya know? I'm wondering if anybody has any insights on how to switch gears and stop these dramas in a way that won't offend or irritate her too much, I'd like to do it as subtly as possible, given her control issues. Any ideas?

Well, she is being offensive, so I would not be too concerned about offending her a little in order to get her to become conscious of her bad manners.

As the book says, the way to defuse a control drama is to name it for what it is.

  When she goes off, don't resist or argue, get upset, disagree or explain. Just lie with words and tell the truth with actions.  Sweetly say "Yes Mom" or "Yeah boss" "Aye aye, Captain" or even "Yes Mistress" to point out how inappropriate her control is, and then do the same head shake, derisive chuckle she gives you! But gentler, with love and a smile, and project grounding onto her so she stays calmer.

 She probably won't know how to respond to that because it leaves nothing for her to argue with, dissect or hold onto... she is being given energy, but in a different way than she is used to getting it through the game.  

 She will probably not be slowed for long.   When she pushes  for an explanation, don't offer one. Just smile and shake your head at her foolishness, and change the subject. That is the time to be aloof because she is only looking for more ammo anyway!  Trying to avoid looking at her own behavior.

 It is love. People who insist on always being right end up dying alone and friendless, because nobody wants to pay the price of being wrong all the time for the pleasure of their company. That she can be wrong and still be loved and accepted, is probably a new idea for her...

  If she pushes you to the edge, then you can tell her you don't need to explain, because she already knows what it is about. The weapon beyond that, is to tell her she already knows because she is so smart and she is always right about everything and you are only a foolish child. Hopefully it won't get to that point.

 Ever hear of "Transactional analysis"? It basically outlines control dramas in terms of whether people relate to others as adult to adult, child to child (think of lovers baby talk) or with a hierarchy of adult to child.

 When someone is projecting "child" onto you, there is no defense because you have no control over how they choose to see you, their projection.

 The usual human result of oppression is bratty, passive aggressive behavior like kindergarden chaos, because the only defense is to surrender to the child projection, but resist by being a really difficult child so the adult gets burnt out and resigns from trying to parent you.  

 I have been on some soapmaking email lists, where the dynamic was so extreme... the list owners were mothers who treated the members like kindergarden children and the members would act out childishly in response. They even referred to the list owners as "List mom"... I term I found offensive on many levels!  

 The more you become conscious, and able to identify the control dramas, the less effect they have on you. You can see the game and make a choice whether you want to play.

 This is easier if you stay grounded and keep your own energy levels topped up and "my cup runneth over" so you can be kind and generous, instead of offended by those who are acting out from hunger.
  Blessings!  

: Thanks for letting me ramble!

: Namaste,

: Kimberly

: --
: What I am noticing right now on HEALING......

: It isn't just me. I was speaking with other healing practitioners who are noticing the same thing.  Thyroid imbalance is rampant.  And the truly interesting aspect is that most of the time the thyroid is not far enough out of balance to be 'ill' according to Western Medicine.

: I keep noticing that thyroid issues are up for almost everyone I meet.  Our bodies are struggling with balancing the hormones that talk to our thyroid gland.  As a result, I'm seeing a rise in thyroid related weight gain, as well as the reverse - a sort of brittle overly tense mental state.  Most of us don't realize that night sweats and many menopausal symptoms can actually be the thyroid calling out for help.  

: Several times in the past week I've been drawn to cozy up to someone's thyroid or liver or colon.  When I asked the client if they had noticed something, they each replied yes, and that they had sought medical tests because of their concern.  In each case the test results had been within normal range.  And yet their concern continued, and they were feeling the ongoing need to explore how to address what they felt was out of balance, regardless of what the official tests told them.

: In each case my eyes and hands were guided by the angels and healing energies that work with me during healing sessions.  Because I was drawn to the same organs that clients had concerns about, it validated to both of us that their intuition was well intact, and that indeed the organs were not functioning optimally.
: --

: All the best,
: Scott

So, how do I find out if this is actually the case with me? Anybody know?

I have practiced breathing in energy through this chakra a lot for periods. For some reason I most often forget about the grounding and when I come to think of it, I am lying down and feel too tired to get up and do the grounding exercise (doing it while lying down feels somewhat uncomfortable) so I practice the exercise of breathing energy into my upper chest instead. When I breathe in energy through the thyroid chakra, my chest, shoulders, arms and neck starts to tingle a lot and I also get sensations of heat in these areas. I have been wondering if this is some kind of healing effect. It is also very interesting to hear Gustaf connecting this chakra with energy struggle. I am the target of severe bullying, so maybe this practice can help? It seems to me that a lot of people want the energy I have from being very successful in my field (and maybe also from being awake) and that I am unable to keep the energy for my self. I did a higher self negotiation with Mystress last summer, but I am still unsure if it has had any effect. Maybe I should do the ritual of cutting the aka cords?

:   There is a lesson where I explain about the thyroid chakra...

:  The thyroid chakra is at the sternum, a bump of bone halfway between your throat and your heart, that fits neatly into the hollow palm of your hand. It should be a wide open mouth drinking in the pure sparkly white universal light that is the Water of Life, to nourish the body.

:  This chakra is closed in a lot of people, or reversed so they are giving life away.  Spewing the water out like a fountain gargoyle.

:   Imagine the mouth drinking in the sparkling white light water until every part of you is filled. You may see it takes a while because if you are very parched it will be absorbed as it comes in, and disappear. Keep drinking until you are full of sparkling white light everywhere.

:   Take note of the body's reaction to recieving the incoming light. Stress drains away, there is relaxation and peace, but also more energy for joy. Less hunger for control dramas.

:   There are subtle thyriod imbalances, documenting morning basal temperature for a few months will get doctors to reconsider prescribing thyriod medication. Blessings!  

: : --

Ok, i was doing this as you suggested until yesterday when Gustaf came home and told me that the place you indicate here is the thalmys chakra and not the thyroid chakra. So... where is the thyroid chakra located and should I be doing the same practice with that too or is there something different I should be doing?

Thanks!

Kimberly

The thyriod is in the throat, but the thyriod chakra is in the sternum. Gustaf can call it the thalamus chakra if he wants to.
 Blessings...

: :  The thyroid chakra is at the sternum, a bump of bone halfway between your throat and your heart, that fits neatly into the hollow palm of your hand. It should be a wide open mouth drinking in the pure sparkly white universal light that is the Water of Life, to nourish the body.

: :  This chakra is closed in a lot of people, or reversed so they are giving life away.  Spewing the water out like a fountain gargoyle.

: :   Imagine the mouth drinking in the sparkling white light water until every part of you is filled. You may see it takes a while because if you are very parched it will be absorbed as it comes in, and disappear. Keep drinking until you are full of sparkling white light everywhere.

: :   Take note of the body's reaction to recieving the incoming light. Stress drains away, there is relaxation and peace, but also more energy for joy. Less hunger for control dramas.

: :   There are subtle thyriod imbalances, documenting morning basal temperature for a few months will get doctors to reconsider prescribing thyriod medication. Blessings!  

: : : --

: Ok, i was doing this as you suggested until yesterday when Gustaf came home and told me that the place you indicate here is the thalmys chakra and not the thyroid chakra. So... where is the thyroid chakra located and should I be doing the same practice with that too or is there something different I should be doing?

: Thanks!

: Kimberly

: The thyriod is in the throat, but the thyriod chakra is in the sternum. Gustaf can call it the thalamus chakra if he wants to.
:   Blessings...

LOL! I did not say thalamus chakra. Thymus chakra. And that's what you told me it's called at the tummo initiation. That's just what I remember though, could be completely wrong!

http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/klist/k2003c/k2003c01211.html

You call it the Thymus chakra there yourself. That would make more sense since the Thymus gland is located right there. The Thyroid I thought was connected with the throat and the throat chakra?

No trying to nitpick here, just making sure we are all talking about the same thing and not getting confused with words. (Seems to happen to most kundalites