Hi Mystress and everyone,

I could use some clarification on a situation that's happening to me...it's the same old, same old, really, but I am so tired of making the same old mistakes...maybe posting what's happening will help.

There's a person around town, I know who it is but not much more.  We see each other every 3-6 months in a professional capacity, or just at the store or whatever, once in awhile. Here's what happens.

If I see and recognize that person, I change - pretty dramatically.  It happens like a shiver or something, and my insides just start buzzing! An adrenaline rush, maybe. It's like I shift into overdrive and stay in turbo mode for several hours.  Then I continue thinking about the person for days...fantasies, conversations, music comes to mind (the same songs even).  What's going on?  Can anyone help me understand the dynamic at work?

Thanks.

Peace,
Carla

Hello Carla!

Isn't this a great feeling in many ways? In the past, I have gotten addicted to it, and not that I acted much on it, but it was felt be the other and drove 2 of them away quickly.

Whenever I have felt this towards someone (4 people to an intense degree), it has signified a person who ends up teaching me a great deal, a life-changing event.

I don't know where it comes from (past lives, soul mates, whatever), but it is a strong connection, and that person's opinion of me affects me a great deal.  I may be someone totally different, but as they perceive me, so I became.  Basically, I gave my power away to these people.  

Each of them represented many aspects that I loved and admired, and wanted to acquire for myself.  Which I did, in a way, from knowing them.

If I were to feel that connection today, (I actually did this the last time I felt it) I would make sure to stay grounded, and not indulge too much in fantasies, because somehow the other person senses this and ends up respecting me less, for reasons I cannot fathom and do not need to know I think.  Why focus on the effect when I can see the cause?

Whenevery I have felt this connection towards someone, the feeling was always reciprocated, meaning, it never happened on it's own, ie. Am I the only one feeling like this?  I never was. I think this feeling is what happens when "love" happens in two individuals at the same time.  But it happened twice that the other person felt "they had to tear themselves away", because it was too intense for them (not me, the feeling).

These experiences have taught me that probably any two people can feel this way about each other at once, we just rarely let down our guard to allow for this to happen.  I believe it is the feeling of when two people open to love, simultaneously, in all innocence.  It is tangible, tho the person be far away.

Mystress Angelique can probably tell you more about this, but whenever I have felt this, it was incredibly difficult not to think and become attached about/to the person, so Good Luck!  I don't mean to suggest that you to restrain the feeling, the radiance, the inspiration, but just not to give them attachments by visualising the person, and feeding the feeling by imagining situations with this person.  This is not always easy for me.  

Bottom line, I think it means it's someone important and significant in your life, so hold on to Goddess' hand to guide you, because you cannot judge what that person's impact in your life is going to be, and if you imagine and build expectations of what that person's impact might be, you may restrain the person and curb its soul freedom.  

I hope you both get to enjoy this friendship as much as possible.  Would it be possible for you to develop it?

Meditate on the feeling and share it with your divine beloved so you can make it your own, no matter if the other person is there to inspire you.

Anyway, I hope this helps/makes sense, and some of my experiences apply for your situation.

Let us know how it works out.

Have a wonderful time,

Nadine

P.S. This is a good example of what I mean by my last post (to talk or not to talk); if you have a second, please read it and tell me if you feel it may be preferable for me to moderate my opinions, or let them go free, in case they have some positive impact.  Like Mystress says, Jesus already did the savior thing LOL  

: Hi Mystress and everyone,

: I could use some clarification on a situation that's happening to me...it's the same old, same old, really, but I am so tired of making the same old mistakes...maybe posting what's happening will help.

: There's a person around town, I know who it is but not much more.  We see each other every 3-6 months in a professional capacity, or just at the store or whatever, once in awhile. Here's what happens.

: If I see and recognize that person, I change - pretty dramatically.  It happens like a shiver or something, and my insides just start buzzing! An adrenaline rush, maybe. It's like I shift into overdrive and stay in turbo mode for several hours.  Then I continue thinking about the person for days...fantasies, conversations, music comes to mind (the same songs even).  What's going on?  Can anyone help me understand the dynamic at work?

: Thanks.

: Peace,
: Carla

Hi Nadine,

Wow!  Thanks for the response - I came to the tearoom thinking 'no way anyone has even had time to read it...'.  And there is so much good info to ponder.  What a gift you've given me.  : )

So it could be we are connected somehow...I've asked my heart about it and get the response that this person has no love.  I don't think a friendship (or anything) will ever develop between us.  The only reason we've even met is adversarial in a roundabout way, and though there have been occasions where I needed to speak, the opposite won't occur in our relationship as it is now.  I could be forward and speak when it's a chance meeting, but I haven't in the past.

I see what you mean about being careful about projecting all these feelings onto the 'person' who represents this Essence...I've done that too many times and just ended up burning the poor ppl out.  Now that I can see how that happened I realize I haven't really had many intimate and probably no physical relations with ppl who wouldn't get burned out, so maybe my hesitation towards this person lies somewhere there.

It's nice to be inspired and 'high' because of the presence of an Other.  But also a precarious position.  It's feelings like this that inspire me to dance - but I wonder sometimes if I 'should'.  I think, like you said, the Other becomes aware of me, somehow, thru this.  I think it's how my last 'learning experience' came about.  LOL  

I really appreciate your input, Nadine. And I would say that, if someone asks your opinion, speaking from your heart will always be the right thing to do.

Peace,
Carla

: Hi Nadine,

: Wow!  Thanks for the response - I came to the tearoom thinking 'no way anyone has even had time to read it...'.  And there is so much good info to ponder.  What a gift you've given me.  : )

Yes, thanks Nadine... feel free to speak your mind, here.

: So it could be we are connected somehow...I've asked my heart about it and get the response that this person has no love.

OK, from that info I have a better idea of what is going on. Before that I was not sure of he was a high vibe person giving you a shakti field rush... did not feel quite resonant because you are high vibe too... but no, he is a vampire.

 When I feel that kind of thing, it is often because someone is feeding on my life energy, and giving me their karma faster than my body can replenish itself. I get dizzy, shaky, ungrounded and they are in my mind.
 It does not happen often, usually processing someone's karma just makes me sleepy. It *cannot* happen without my having consented to it, on some level. Usually, it is with novices whom I have worked with, who are not wise enough to connect to me on a higher self level instead of to my physical body.

 He has no love, so he feeds on yours and your body goes into a shock reaction, adversarial yet he is in your mind because your energy is in his body. You are lunch meat.

Do a time travel visualization, imagining hovering above yourself, the last time you met and observing how energy flows between you both. You may find he sucks the life right out of you.

 I doubt he does it deliberately, although it is a kung fu trick, chi stealing... but I intuit that by weakening people in this way, he bends them to his will. They have not the energy to resist. Question is, why do you allow it?

 Of course, I could be totally wrong... Get back to me and tell me what you discover.

  Blessings...  

: I don't think a friendship (or anything) will ever develop between us.  The only reason we've even met is adversarial in a roundabout way, and though there have been occasions where I needed to speak, the opposite won't occur in our relationship as it is now.  I could be forward and speak when it's a chance meeting, but I haven't in the past.

: I see what you mean about being careful about projecting all these feelings onto the 'person' who represents this Essence...I've done that too many times and just ended up burning the poor ppl out.  Now that I can see how that happened I realize I haven't really had many intimate and probably no physical relations with ppl who wouldn't get burned out, so maybe my hesitation towards this person lies somewhere there.

: It's nice to be inspired and 'high' because of the presence of an Other.  But also a precarious position.  It's feelings like this that inspire me to dance - but I wonder sometimes if I 'should'.  I think, like you said, the Other becomes aware of me, somehow, thru this.  I think it's how my last 'learning experience' came about.  LOL  

: I really appreciate your input, Nadine. And I would say that, if someone asks your opinion, speaking from your heart will always be the right thing to do.

: Peace,
: Carla

: OK, from that info I have a better idea of what is going on. Before that I was not
sure of he was a high vibe person giving you a shakti field rush... did not feel quite
resonant because you are high vibe too... but no, he is a vampire.
........
:   He has no love, so he feeds on yours and your body goes into a shock reaction,
adversarial yet he is in your mind because your energy is in his body. You are lunch meat.

:  Do a time travel visualization, imagining hovering above yourself, the last time you met
and observing how energy flows between you both. You may find he sucks the life right
out of you.

:   I doubt he does it deliberately, although it is a kung fu trick, chi stealing... but I intuit
that by weakening people in this way, he bends them to his will. They have not the energy
to resist. Question is, why do you allow it?

:   Of course, I could be totally wrong... Get back to me and tell me what you discover.

:    Blessings...

Ah Ha!  Thank you - vampire resonates with me as well.  I watched a grrl totally *blow
it* in a meeting with this guy...she couldn%rsquot even explain what went wrong or why she
goofed up.  The way she talked about and referred to him, (prior to this meeting), it
seemed to me like she was in love with him.  In terms of win and lose, though, she lost to
him.

I have done the time travel a few times.  The first time, everything was completely black,
I couldn%rsquot even see us thru the clouds.  I tried to clear the space (it%rsquos a public place) and
saw a little red seep thru, but not much more.  Then I hear myself saying these things in a conversation with him  (Well, maybe not a conversation since he doesn%rsquot speak, but...)

%ldquoDo you do this with conscious intent?  Being brave in this way begets misery, not the
other way around...all that karma sticking to you...and all for what - to win in your job?
No wonder you have no love.%rdquo

When he takes an Other%rsquos energy, does he get the karma too?  And if it isn%rsquot conscious, or
he doesn%rsquot practice energy hygiene, I guess it would stick to him....

I will continue to try to clear the area where we were.  It%rsquos a 24 hour place so I%rsquom trying to
visualize it happening at about 3a.m. to be the least intrusive.

I projected my Self to him today.  He was laying on a couch - maybe an afternoon nap.
Black clouds all around.  I surrendered the clouds several times, then fell asleep for about
three hours.

I think I allow it because I don%rsquot recognize it for what it is.  It%rsquos the *at*tention instead of
*in*tention that distracts me.  Not sure what%rsquos motivating me to want to be involved,
though.  Unless it%rsquos this teeny weenie ego being needy.

Thanks again and love to all,

Carla

You're very welcome Carla!

It's always good to know that my experiences can help someone.

I find that by loving these people in a detached and respecful manner, I get all the benefits of knowing them, without getting involved in their power games.  These people are also fascinated by my "openness", and some have felt it is their duty to show me that the world and people are bad.  I don't think any succeeded, and I'm happy to report that one of them came to respect my viewpoint, as opposed to finding me hopelessly naïve.

Also, if I understand correctly, as long as humans love from a place that is not their higher self, there is always some struggle for power involved ie. "I love you because there is something from you I want".

This post has brought up an interesting point about vampirism, which I will bring up in a different post.  

I'm very happy that we can learn together from issues we both face.

Namaste,

Nadine

: Hi Nadine,

: Wow!  Thanks for the response - I came to the tearoom thinking 'no way anyone has even had time to read it...'.  And there is so much good info to ponder.  What a gift you've given me.  : )

: So it could be we are connected somehow...I've asked my heart about it and get the response that this person has no love.  I don't think a friendship (or anything) will ever develop between us.  The only reason we've even met is adversarial in a roundabout way, and though there have been occasions where I needed to speak, the opposite won't occur in our relationship as it is now.  I could be forward and speak when it's a chance meeting, but I haven't in the past.

: I see what you mean about being careful about projecting all these feelings onto the 'person' who represents this Essence...I've done that too many times and just ended up burning the poor ppl out.  Now that I can see how that happened I realize I haven't really had many intimate and probably no physical relations with ppl who wouldn't get burned out, so maybe my hesitation towards this person lies somewhere there.

: It's nice to be inspired and 'high' because of the presence of an Other.  But also a precarious position.  It's feelings like this that inspire me to dance - but I wonder sometimes if I 'should'.  I think, like you said, the Other becomes aware of me, somehow, thru this.  I think it's how my last 'learning experience' came about.  LOL  

: I really appreciate your input, Nadine. And I would say that, if someone asks your opinion, speaking from your heart will always be the right thing to do.

: Peace,
: Carla

: Ah Ha!  Thank you - vampire resonates with me as well.  I watched a grrl totally *blow
: it* in a meeting with this guy...she couldn%rsquot even explain what went wrong or why she
: goofed up.  The way she talked about and referred to him, (prior to this meeting), it
: seemed to me like she was in love with him.  In terms of win and lose, though, she lost to
: him.

Quit thinking in terms of win or lose. It is not about him, Carla... it is about you. Why you allow it to happen. All is consensual, on a higher level. When you watched the two of them together, did you use the opportunity to really observe what was going on? If she gave him something, you can be sure she got something back. Could be she is a very submissive person who enjoyed being Mastered.

: I have done the time travel a few times.  The first time, everything was completely black,
: I couldn%rsquot even see us thru the clouds.

Then get more detached, watch from higher up.

:  I tried to clear the space (it%rsquos a public place) and
: saw a little red seep thru, but not much more.  Then I hear myself saying these things in a conversation with him  (Well, maybe not a conversation since he doesn%rsquot speak, but...)

: %ldquoDo you do this with conscious intent?  Being brave in this way begets misery, not the
: other way around...all that karma sticking to you...and all for what - to win in your job?
: No wonder you have no love.%rdquo

sounds like a scolding...

: When he takes an Other%rsquos energy, does he get the karma too?

Yes, plus karma feedback from his own actions.

: And if it isn%rsquot conscious, or
: he doesn%rsquot practice energy hygiene, I guess it would stick to him....

It is not about him. Forget about him. He is just Goddess vessel to show you something about yourself. Observe what you do.

: I will continue to try to clear the area where we were.  It%rsquos a 24 hour place so I%rsquom trying to
: visualize it happening at about 3a.m. to be the least intrusive.

: I projected my Self to him today.  He was laying on a couch - maybe an afternoon nap.
: Black clouds all around.  I surrendered the clouds several times, then fell asleep for about
: three hours.

Well, that is nice of you... what was your motive? Selflessness is illusion...

: I think I allow it because I don%rsquot recognize it for what it is.

Nope, I don't believe that. I think you allow it because it meets some unconscious need, within you.

: It%rsquos the *at*tention instead of
: *in*tention that distracts me.  Not sure what%rsquos motivating me to want to be involved,
: though.
That is the real question you need to resolve.

: Unless it%rsquos this teeny weenie ego being needy.

The ego that wants to be his savior is not teeny... did you check with your heart about whether he really is a vampire? Ask your heart about this, about you! Why this event occured in your life, what Goddess is trying to show you, about yourself.

 It is not about him. He just Is. It is about you! Blessings...  

: Thanks again and love to all,

: Carla

: Quit thinking in terms of win or lose. It is not about him, Carla... it is about you.
Why you allow it to happen. All is consensual, on a higher level. When you watched the
two of them together, did you use the opportunity to really observe what was going on? If
she gave him something, you can be sure she got something back. Could be she is a very
submissive person who enjoyed being Mastered.

Watching her crash and burn, I had no clue what was going on.  It was like she blanked
out or something.  The situation I referred to *was* win or lose:  it was a legal
proceeding.  Maybe she is submissive and enjoyed being Mastered, but, not on my dime.
: )

: : %ldquoDo you do this with conscious intent?  Being brave in this way begets misery, not the
: : other way around...all that karma sticking to you...and all for what - to win in your job?
: : No wonder you have no love.%rdquo

: sounds like a scolding...

Really?  Hmmm.  It felt compassionate.

: : When he takes an Other%rsquos energy, does he get the karma too?

: Yes, plus karma feedback from his own actions.

: : And if it isn%rsquot conscious, or
: : he doesn%rsquot practice energy hygiene, I guess it would stick to him....

: It is not about him. Forget about him. He is just Goddess vessel to show you
something about yourself. Observe what you do.

The %lsquoscolding%rsquo is what I do/did.  Going on about him here is me trying to see if the words
are Truth.  It feels right, so if it is right, what do I gain from this?  Well, after I woke I
thought about him, wondering if he was lighter somehow, feeling good.  That made me
smile thinking it possible that doing that clearing was positive.  

: Well, that is nice of you... what was your motive? Selflessness is illusion...

My motive was to see whatever it is I%rsquom intended to see.  I didn%rsquot think it was clouds, nor
do I believe it%rsquos my purpose to save anyone from themselves.  My doing these things, and
trying to see him *is* about me.  

: : I think I allow it because I don%rsquot recognize it for what it is.

: Nope, I don't believe that. I think you allow it because it meets some unconscious
need, within you.

Unconscious needs are unknown, and this is one Goddess must want my awareness of.

: : It%rsquos the *at*tention instead of
: : *in*tention that distracts me.  Not sure what%rsquos motivating me to want to be involved,
: : though.
: That is the real question you need to resolve.

I must want to be involved to understand Goddess%rsquo purpose in creating it for me.

: : Unless it%rsquos this teeny weenie ego being needy.

: The ego that wants to be his savior is not teeny... did you check with your heart
about whether he really is a vampire? Ask your heart about this, about you! Why this
event occured in your life, what Goddess is trying to show you, about yourself.

:   It is not about him. He just Is. It is about you! Blessings...  

I don%rsquot think this is about me wanting to save or be a savior.  It%rsquos not resonating.
Throughout this whole process I%rsquom trying to see what Goddess is trying to show me.  This
post feels like something else, though I don%rsquot know what at this point.

Thanks for your help,

Carla