Tummo Fire

[Eileen]

Something that's been going on for a while now but is becoming more prevalent these days is that my tummo fire seems to be kicking up in a way that feels like it's consuming other people's goo.  I'll explain in a minute, but forgive me if this has been addressed preveiously somewhere else.  Nothing 'bad' is happening:  I'm just a bit curious.

As long as I've been a body-worker I've easily been able to ground (myself and) my client's yuck without any negative effects.  In fact, in doing so both client and I are energized and quite euphoric - the more the merrier.  I hadn't thought of it before, but it now seems clear that it was since the Tummo initiation that I began to register large volumes of toxic goo moving through my body (their stuff) creating heat.  Now I even notice doses of it just by being in the presence of a person, or even in email.  What how and when this takes place depends entirely on the person and whether or not they are (willingly...knowingly or not) releasing something toxic.  And I also notice that when I work with clients who are fully awakened and/or really good at letting go of stress and other goo, I will reeeeeeeeeally heat up...often breaking into quite a sweat.  They will usually heat up as well, sometimes to the point of soaking the sheets with sweat when the energy really gets going.

Is this typical of a person who's been initiated with Tummo?  It seems to have a very positive affect (on both parties involved), however, in the case of the casual patron on the street I tend to feel that it's at least somewhat important that a person who is dumping stuff they don't need, be able to take responsibility for doing that and claim the benefit of their release.  In other words, they ought to take credit for letting go.  (Some people don't let go of anything, and they suffer!)

It's easy to set boundaries when it comes to being in public, but I am curious about this.  It does seem appropriate to let it be what it is while I'm in a session with a client, because they are in agreement withme for the therapy I provide.

I have been careful (for the most part) of turning my energy field inward when I'm out and about - mostly out of need.  The energy exchanges in public virtually disabled me completely until I learned to turn it inward.  (Thank you Mystress, for that valuable piece of adivse!)  But this is a different thing entirely.  There's no poking of energy sensation, no sense of energy leaving me or hitting me or anything like that with this heat.  I just heat up and I know what it is. 

Blessings!
Eileen

[Mystress]

  Eileen, you are asking really interesting questions and I am not sure I can answer them. I look forward to reading responses from other initiates.

  I have always had the fire, so I have no "before and after" to compare it to.  People commented that my Shakti was hot, that my emails made them sweat before I even knew that the heat was tummo, or that heat was not usual.  There are some that feel Shakti should always be cool breezes.

  I will share some stories, though.

  The other night a good friend slept in my waterbed, I was working late. He reported waking up at 4am, drenched in sweat, despite having kicked the covers off in his sleep.  We both recognised it as a cleansing... the water in my bed must be charged with Shakti and tummo.  The bed itself, a sacred space.

  Go back nine years... I hosted an etheric body repair workshop with Yvette at my house. We took a break and I lay down on the couch to clear my energy... two minutes later the other ladies are fanning themselves and asking why did it suddenly get so hot in here??

  I have several friends who pour with sweat whenever they give me a massage.  Visitors often complain that my house is too warm. I do keep it warmer than most, being something of a reptile... but I don't think that is it...

  On a related note... recently I was talking to an aquaintance explaining how I am disciplined in keeping my energy turned inward... he said, "I always feel when you come into a room."  Sigh.  We do what we can, for our own comfort, but in the end Goddess does what Goddess wants and we just try to stay out of the way.

  Turning inward doesn't make your Shakti field go away, it just alters it to be less pokey and invasive to people, more "Goddess has it handled."

  When you say "ground myself and my client's yuck" do you mean you were sending it into the Earth? That works fine for unawakened people who are sky fed, but when the Shakti rises, the yuck prefers to move upward.

  Blessings...
 

[Eileen]

  Eileen, you are asking really interesting questions and I am not sure I can answer them. I look forward to reading responses from other initiates. 
  When you say "ground myself and my client's yuck" do you mean you were sending it into the Earth? That works fine for unawakened people who are sky fed, but when the Shakti rises, the yuck prefers to move upward.

Thank you for commenting on this.  I'll try to simplify my question though as maybe I didn't word it clearly.  The simple question is:  Does Tummo fire burn away karma ONLY in the initiate?  Or is it possible that Tummo fire will also consume karma of those in direct 'link/communication' with the initiate?

...I do, however, think that I bumped into the answer simply by asking.  I also have gleaned important (to me) and powerful reflection/information from a post you made to the k-list.  Thank you.  Little bits of subtle crap are so neatly hidden away - yet easily discovered when we really want to know!

As to the comment I made about 'grounding my client's yuck' as I work....  I don't "DO" that...or do anything intentionally when I work.  In a similar way that I used to 'snap in' and lock down just before picking up 500lbs in my powerlifting days, I have always naturally 'snapped in' when it comes to working on my clients.  It just is.  I have always, naturally (and I'm grateful for this) been the one to just instantly go calm and grounded when major chaos or important business sets in. 

It's true that when I used to 'do' Reiki, I would focus on bringing energy in through my crown and running it down, but I stopped all that quite some time ago.  When I work with clients, I don't direct energy these days.  I'm not smart enough to know what a person needs on that level, nor is it my intent to 'heal' them.  My focus in my practice is to do the 'manual' work and leave the rest up to God/Goddess, and the client.  But energy certainly moves, and it moves in different amounts depending on each person, and upon the relationship between us on the higher levels.  (trust)  It always flows from the ground.  My feet are always buzzing, and occasionally they'll just light up and burn.  What I was referring to is a circulation of energy that takes place.

Mystress, you've mentioned this to me before about Shakti flowing up, through the crown.  Your comment this time prompted me to check in with the subject.  I've come to the conclusion that we must be referring to a couple different flows of energy here.  So yes, the Shakti flows up.  But there must be other energy patterns and other frequencies involved, or it's just what's happening with the energy flow.  I'll mention it if only to sort it out in my own head...which often happens when I express my thoughts.

I've been running the orbit for quite some time now.  I learned it years ago, and then when I worked with Glenn, he of course taught the orbit.  I also learned that you can orbit with the Earth.  I think that may be what is happening when I work with a client...though I havent' ever set to do that consciously.  I do know that when I hosted Glenn here for a workshop a couple years ago I did bodywork on him every evening.  He had so much goo on him from working down in the New Orleans area after Katrina...he was so affected by the disaster...partly because it was his home, partly because he was part of the recovery efforts.  His favorite thing for me to do was to sit at his feet and just 'do this thing' which is natural to me, and that is to let all that 'stuff' bleed off and go into the ground.  It would come off the front of (his) body (circulating down the front energy flow) run down my front energy flow - get run into the ground, then come back up (flowing up my back) and flow up as a beautiful, pink energy through (my arms) his feet and up his spine, etc.  Sort of like flushing out a stagnant pond. 

I don't direct any of that.  In fact, I don't even remember how I stumbled on doing that "plug in and let it happen thing."  Probably because I was taught as a massage therapist to 'ground' the client.  Made sense to me as I've been trained in ESD sensitive electrical equipment, and we are electrical beings...so it makes sense to ground after stirring it up.  Anyway, Glenn made a 'big' deal of it because it allowed him to dump incredible amounts of (public) suffering that he hadn't been able to ditch himself.  No wonder...living in the midst of such a horrendous disaster area!  I never considered it a big deal as it came naturally to me, and I don't actually DO anything.  I just sit there with my thumbs 'plugged in' to the bottom of the feet and blank out into the energy flow because the Earth just cranks it!  It feels soooooo good to both client and me!  Great way to finish a session!

So that is what I was referring to.  It is definitely Earth energy (I guess you'd call it Shakti) moving upward, but I guess I'm drawing it into an orbit or something.  I'm not DOing anything with it.  I'm just sitting there, or it does this also while I do bodywork - it just is.  And it's in this working that often I and the client heat up when we hit areas of goo that are significant.  I think if I were to put any DO or mental into it, nothing would happen.  I never invented it, I never directed it, I never thought it any big deal.  It just is a thing, and the only reason it captured my attention was when the sweat began to pour...  Then I remembered some of the comments Glenn made about it, and so I thought to ask.

What I've realized now is how diverse are many methods that work.  And each ought to be natural to the one doing whatever.  The Universe does not TRY anything.  Everything happens effortlessly.  Life, death, creation, destruction. 

And I don't know...maybe I'm just at a stage, but I'm wondering if I even want to continue doing bodywork at all.  I'm not burned out...I LOVE what I do.  But as I've examined myself and the role I've taken on as the person who works with chronic pain and trauma, I've seen how easily and subtly the desire to fix people and try to help their pain stop crept in.  It was disguised as showing them how to help themselves, but I realized I still had an attachment to it because when they wouldn't or couldn't do things for themself, I'd get frustrated.  Suddenly I woke up and looked at my clients and had to ask myself some questions about me. 

And then the question about the Tummo just wasn't important anymore.
Blessings
e

[Mystress]

Hello:

   At the end of the initiation, we turn control of the fire over to the Divine Beloved, and so yes it does work autopilot.  Has a mind of its own... the fire serpent's appetite.  It is possible that the stuff it is reaching for, is resonant with stuff in you, so it is using them as surrogate almost as Glenn used you.

  I am curious why you want people to celebrate their release... what that matters to you... but I think you sorted that already eh?

  Glenn practiced the orbit, and secret smile for cleansing, but he did not ground into the fiery crystal. So, in taking the place below him, you were extending his personal field to be grounded.  He was a martial artist, not a mystic... it is a different path.

  I have a hidden benefit of ADD- if I get too ego involved with someone's process, other stuff backs up behind the attachment quite quickly and I get very impatient with the work, as a whole. Predictable thoughts like "why are people asking me these stupid questions" or worse, and Joni Mitchell's "Free man in Paris" running through my head.  The I disappear for a day or a week, or until the work feels fun again.

  On the other hand, I'm stuck with Shamanic imperative- Energy must flow, and I have to do a certain amount of work every month or my own energy gets bent.  My retirement from public session work is Shamanic imperative too, and my reluctance to obey has gotten me beat up a few times!  It is a redefinition of "my Tribe." 

   What do you think about doing remote work?
    Blessings...

[Eileen]

   At the end of the initiation, we turn control of the fire over to the Divine Beloved, and so yes it does work autopilot.  Has a mind of its own... the fire serpent's appetite.  It is possible that the stuff it is reaching for, is resonant with stuff in you, so it is using them as surrogate almost as Glenn used you.
  I am curious why you want people to celebrate their release... what that matters to you... but I think you sorted that already eh?

Thank you for what you said.  Yes, I did sort it out, but I want to comment because it's been such a lesson to me how very subtle all these little 'ego parts' can be...how projections (and anger) really can be hiding behind the insistance that we're not projecting.  My distaste for other people's projections on me in the past had me insistant that I'm not ever going to try to 'heal' other people or do this or that.  The sneaky thing is that such rebellion only disguised itself in deciding I could fix them by showing them how.  Same same.  Still a huge attachment, under disguise of course.  Seeing it now is actually very amusing, because it's a masterful deception I pulled on myself. 

It's also interesting to see how the understanding...how the seeing...comes in layers.  I really understand how we literally do create our own reality, but, at least for me, the 'getting it' has come in doses...going to deeper and deeper levels of experientially getting it.  Almost like 2 steps forward, one step back.  Ah ha...and then onward again. 

I see how that 'natural grounding' thing and the Tummo heat took on a form of being important because it was apparently unique.  I stumbled on it quite innocently, but I see what's been behind it.  Very subtle.  Gives my work a very different feel now to understand this so clearly.  But it's a delicate walk, at least for me at this moment.  I feel a bit dis-assembled.  In a good way.  No need to see other people celebrate what they do now - for sure...because as you (always) say:  "Goddess has it handled."   Even with the ones who reeeeeallly suffer. 

The real reality strike is taken by looking at my clients...as a reflection of me.  There am I.  To be fair, MOST of my life is flowing along incredibly right now.  I have wonderful people in my life, tons of opportunity and some significant assistance with making such opportunities happen.  And I have some really great clients.  It's the ones that have suffered the most that have been the ones I need to see that reflection in, in order to adjust my attitude.  Then comes visible another disguise.  It feels like I've moved out of situations just like theirs.  But to look, it's easy to see that I haven't completely done for myself the very things I would ask them to do for themselves.  Or if I have, I haven't let go of some anger, or whatever.  All so interesting.  To really study the self is such an intriguing project...and fun so long as the curiosity is maintained.  How can one do anything but chuckle when the truth is found out?  So cleaverly hidden!

I don't really want to walk away from what I do because I have some really great skills that serve people...and it's fun.  But I would like to change my role.  At the right time I will open a pain clinic.  The place will be a resource center additionally.  Not a wellness center.  A pain (and migraine) clinic.  Networked in with medical doctors.  Yes, real pain in the ass doctors who practice medicine.  I already do this in a small but very effective way and with appropriate and respectful communication, it works quite well.  But I want to be part of a team, and I want to lead - manage, rather than be a single person with some helpful tools.   

   What do you think about doing remote work?
    Blessings...

I think a bit differently than before.  I'd like to do a CST session and leave what happens to God/Goddess.  And go from there. 

I've got some digesting to do with all of this.  Lately shadows have been scampering around and now I see why.  Also explains why the fox hung out with me in the back yard last evening.  I need to really integrate this.  Thank you again for prompting me to see clearly Mystress.  Oh, and I'll always have a big soft spot for Glenn.  He reminded me of my powerlifting coach.  He was a good man, and I learned many good things from him.  Even if he wasn't fully grounded into the firey core, and even if he did find creatures in the void.  (giggle giggle)
Blessings!
e

[juergen]

  I have a hidden benefit of ADD- if I get too ego involved with someone's process, other stuff backs up behind the attachment quite quickly and I get very impatient with the work, as a whole. Predictable thoughts like "why are people asking me these stupid questions" or worse, and Joni Mitchell's "Free man in Paris" running through my head.  The I disappear for a day or a week, or until the work feels fun again.

the refuge theme is part of many of Joni's works.
This is one variation: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEK9yi3KS4I&mode=related&search=">night ride home</a>
Also kind of therapeutic i think; installable in Your team, Eileen?

so addicted of that vid,

juergen.

[Mystress]

  I want to revisit this because I don't think I really answered your question. There is a telepathic thing going on in our emails, they are tangential rather than direct.

  Eileen wrote:

Thank you for commenting on this.  I'll try to simplify my question though as maybe I didn't word it clearly.  The simple question is:  Does Tummo fire burn away karma ONLY in the initiate?  Or is it possible that Tummo fire will also consume karma of those in direct 'link/communication' with the initiate?


There are many people who think tummo fire is a type of Shakti, I do not agree. I think it is a form of chi that feels like shakti because Goddess guides it. Like with a chi dynamic, there is an exchange. Serpent Fire Tummo specifically, uses karma for fuel like fire uses wood.

    In that sense, yes, it is similar to reiki in that it is transmissible, people you do healing work on, will feel the warmth but that is not the same as initiating them. There can also be an empathic resonance effect, it burns other peoples stuff in your body and they may feel it too... or alternatively, you empathically feel their karma burning inside them in response to the energy transmission. 

  Eh? People call it Fire Serpent Tummo instead of Serpent Fire tummo, and for me it does not sound right, but there is this in common, the Fire Serpent has an appetite for karma, it eats duality.  Serpent Fire Tummo is keyed to burning up karma, the heat is a side effect. More like a trash incinerator than a coal furnace.  In the poorer parts of India, and some desert countries dried cow or camel manure is used for daily heat and cooking fires. So no shit, no fire. 

   I recall one time I made a miscalculation while out sailing and ended up in the ocean in Feb.  Hypothermia... I used up my own karmic stuff to heat myself, ran out, and put out a psychic call for more, (feed me, Seymour)  "help! more shit please, I need the warmth"  and several students reported a visitation. I showed up and helped them release stuff.  I was not aware of the details, being kind of preoccupied with shivering and giggling uncontrollably.

   When I got home, I was still suffering and called a karma vamp chat party to get more shit fuel.  One of my prestesses attended, and not clear on the concept, saw shit and zapped it ... threw away the firewood, like washing my plate before I am finished eating.    She made up for it though, drew the cold from my bones into herself, and it took her a few days processing but speeded up my own recovery. 

   The more traditional form of Tummo, used by the Tibetans initiates for staying warm is a is more like a  martial arts discipline- increasing your chi and turning it into heat. 

   It is the nature of fire, heat rises, flame flows upward and smoke too...  but the fuel and the alchemical reaction is at the base of the flames.  The upward flow of the tummo is part of its nature as fire... being true to its element... whereas the upward flow of Shakti has more to do with our connection to the planetary magnetic field.  Some might argue that electricity is another type of fire... upward from the fiery crystal. 

  Chi is ambient life force, light. It has no will of its own but some of the archetypal dieties -sun Gods  who represent chi, like shiva, are consciousnesses.   Goddess is the conscious nothingness... the power behind the Sun God's throne.  The womb of space where creation happens.  Nothing, feels like nothing... what we feel, the Kundalini symptoms are the bzzz where duality meets non-duality: the effects of chi guided by Goddess, and the symptoms of stale chi that is blockages, burning or being released. The transformative edge where duality meets non-duality, like matter and anti-matter.   
   

  The sneaky thing is that such rebellion only disguised itself in deciding I could fix them by showing them how.  Same same.  Still a huge attachment, under disguise of course.  Seeing it now is actually very amusing, because it's a masterful deception I pulled on myself. 


    Yeah. Part of my motivation in creating this course, was people asking for it in different ways.

I am very clear that I get a reward, I get to watch people growing which is fun for me, fulfilling and quite blissful.  Yes, sometimes I do get impatient with people not growing, not meeting my expectations...  and sometimes as I mentioned, it is a cue to take a vacation but often it has divine purpose to get me off my lazy ass.  Goddess sometimes uses annoyance to draw my attention to where the work is, coz I am lazy enough to gladly direct stuff to "Goddess has it handled" and choose inaction,  but I cannot resist, scratching where it itches.  Gives motive for some tough love on them with the zen whacking stick, some psychodramatic role play... or,  a cue to remind me to surrender more control and responsibility for what other people do.   Rarely, it is a signal that I am not the right teacher for somebody.   

  Thing is, it is not shadow stuff, I know myself.  Enlightened selfishness, I grok what I am getting out of the deal and I am OK with it.

  Sometimes some student attainment will make me feel really happy and proud of them... and that always catches me, I question it because pride seems like ownership, taking responsibility or credit for their growth.  It is not appropriate... but I feel it anyway, and it is enjoyable, appropriate or not!   Perhaps pride is not the right word for the feeling.  Happiness, fulfillment, satisfaction... ?  love?  It is a perk of the job, a special bonus that I cannot count on, but I do ask Goddess not to being me people I cannot help, or reach... you know? I am a specialist, don't ask your plumber to be your lawyer.

   I removed someone from FST recently, told them "I hope you find a teacher you can respect."  People have stuff, that is why they come to the course... but if they persistently aim the stuff *at* me, then there are communications problems. 

    There is a spell on the course, a little like the house spell and one effect is that the stuff students project onto me, mostly doesn't stick. Goddess did it, I figured it out from feedback and watching the effects.  Comes right back as insights about yourself; my teacher function is mirror.     

[Tanos]

Hmm very interested insights about the Serpent Fire Tummo. One of my main hobbies is martial arts and the concept of Tummo is familiar to me. Specifically in the past I used (at a martial arts school) a simplified version of the Tummo process. The purpose of the practice was to fuel with Chi the Tummo process so as to transmute it to heat, to quicken the healing process, or to quicken desired results into the martial arts and life in general.