Mixed issues: Women, magical ethics, spiritual connections to other people and DB

[Vyana]

Magical ethics requires not thinking on women with lust, without their consent. Now, I would really love to watch somebody ask for such consent. It would sure be a new and different experience! Obeying this command is on the one hand really easy but on the other hand also really difficult.

Some women, and even really attractive women, seam to be impossible to have sexual fantasies about, even if I try. So, there is no danger. This is, for instance, true when it comes to a woman how appears to be in love with me even if she has treated me really bad. This is also somewhat surprisingly true about another woman I know, who has told me she always has a lot of detailed sexual fantasies about virtually every man she meets (to kind of explore how it would be to have sex with them).

When it comes to other women, and even some which are not a bit sexy, sexual associations seem to come from nowhere, and the ethics are difficult to stick to because I don%rsquot know what is happening until my thoughts are already there. I perceive these thought almost as coming from outside. These are most often women I have seen often for a long period of time.

In my work as a university teacher I am often surrounded by a lot of attractive young women, focusing their attention at me. Although I am not exactly good looking, this is a situation with some potential risks. A few years ago a therapist warned me to become too involved with my female student and really made me aware of that problem. On my next lesson, I made a short break while talking and really looked around. I then found that in principle all women in the classroom were looking at me, smiling and with a dreaming expression in their eyes witch I did not exactly associate with studies. Actually, I was astonished, almost shocked, and totally lost my concentration.

I don%rsquot normally have a problem to abstain from sexual fantasies about students (or colleagues at work). It%rsquos kind of obvious to me that such is bad ethics. But there have been a few exceptions, such as this girl who stepped really close to me the other day, when I offered here a document to fill in and she chose to do it while it was still in my hands. Her fragrance was wonderful.

This morning, right after I woke up, something funny happened. I had some sexual associations about my wife, who was lying close to me in bed, still sleeping. Then there started to come thoughts (not sexual) about other women, such as the students in me new class. Actually the presence of these women became so real that I experienced myself as being surrounded by a crowd of kind and wonderfully glowing souls. This felt wonderful, what is even funnier is that this feeling is still there. Even now, about two hours later, I have still tears in my eyes. To be sure that this was not something bad, I first did the ritual of cutting the aka cords, but if they went away it was for less than half a minute.

I am not sure how to interpret this experience. I think it is wonderful. Still I am a little bit worried that if I have been aware of some kind of spiritual connection between me and my students (and probably some other people to), is it all good? Or is somebody feeding on the other? And what would happen if the students would start to experience some problems in their studies so that their feelings towards me would turn less positive?

Now, I also have an additional question; where is my divine bellowed in all this? I have certainly not seen too much of her in quite a while. Last time I just had a short glimpse of her. She due up unbelievably beautiful dressed in a filthy worker overalls with a ponytail, oil in her face and a monkey wrench in here small hand, just to leave almost immediately, claiming there was "so much to do down here".

[Scott E]

: Magical ethics requires not thinking on women with lust, without their consent.

Something about that statement is not really right. It is impossible.

If you want to ask a woman if you can lust over her, its because you like her, so you are already lusting over her.

Cheers,
Scott

[Vyana]

Now, you are really intellectual. However, I don%rsquot think this is correct. If you can control yourself, I think you would (at least with some good luck) be able to observe a woman, notice that she is sexy and then ask her for consent. Still, this woman has to be really openminded or to like you a lot, if she is to agree. The problem is, she will most likely think you are nuts. Maybe she would think otherwise if she was participating in this course, but I am not really sure. I suppose there is an unspoken consent from porn stars, strip show dancers and other women who expose themselves to mens lust in public, but they most likely don%rsquot know what they have agreed to.

: : Magical ethics requires not thinking on women with lust, without their consent.

: Something about that statement is not really right. It is impossible.

: If you want to ask a woman if you can lust over her, its because you like her, so you are already lusting over her.

: Cheers,
: Scott

[Scott E]

If you have enough energy to walk up to a woman and ask "Hello, can I lust over you?", then you have already exhibited desire. Thats all I was getting at. To want, to choose, its the same thing as desire.

It seems excessive to me. Its like having to ask someone permission before you say hello to them. Saying hello and lusting over someone both have the potential for harm. If they are insane or are out to rob the next person that says something to them, you could be in big trouble. What sense does it make to ask permission for one thing and not the other when both things could lead to harm?

I guess use your power chakra discernment first, rather than guess at possible out comes.

Cheers,
Scott

: Now, you are really intellectual. However, I don%rsquot think this is correct. If you can control yourself, I think you would (at least with some good luck) be able to observe a woman, notice that she is sexy and then ask her for consent. Still, this woman has to be really openminded or to like you a lot, if she is to agree. The problem is, she will most likely think you are nuts. Maybe she would think otherwise if she was participating in this course, but I am not really sure. I suppose there is an unspoken consent from porn stars, strip show dancers and other women who expose themselves to mens lust in public, but they most likely don%rsquot know what they have agreed to.

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: : : Magical ethics requires not thinking on women with lust, without their consent.

: : Something about that statement is not really right. It is impossible.

: : If you want to ask a woman if you can lust over her, its because you like her, so you are already lusting over her.

: : Cheers,
: : Scott

[Mystress]

: : Magical ethics requires not thinking on women with lust, without their consent.

: Something about that statement is not really right. It is impossible.

Appreciation of beauty is fine. Enjoying sexual fantasies about someone without their consent is unethical.

: If you want to ask a woman if you can lust over her, its because you like her, so you are already lusting over her.

: Cheers,
: Scott