Surrender contra NLP and god of my own life

[Vyana]

I have found the active surrender Mystress taught me is probably the most useful tool of all on my spiritual journey. Then, Mystress has also taught me that I am, by my way of thinking, the god of my own life. And she has also advised me to change my way of thinking by making different choices. I have been taught a lot of NLP techniques to accomplish such changes. But for some reason I have most often felt reluctant to use the most advanced techniques on myself (or letting some one do that). I don%rsquot know why; it just doesn%rsquot feel right.

What I got to hear from the teacher and other students was mostly blame; "You have decided to keep this discomfort" (I have some kind of discomfort in my solar plexus area; the stomach kind of "blows itself up" and I am only able to speak for a short while; then getting cramps in my diaphragm, so intense that I have to stop, a pressure on my forehead and dizziness in my head); "There is emotional trauma behind this discomfort and you are not ready to give it up yet" etc. Their attitude is that whenever anything does not work: blame the client. Of course, this attitude did not increase my trust (personally I think it sucks and I don't believe it is in accordance with the NLP guidelines). Maybe they are right and maybe their attitude caused this; maybe I just don%rsquot trust the practitioners and don%rsquot want to deal with their projections?

But on the other hand: I once tried surrendering all the karmas in my body to Goddess and it worked, but it left me in a place of awareness and loneliness which was so intense that I could not take it. Therefore, I asked Goddess to take it slower, at a pace that I could handle. So, where would the NLP techniques leave me? Would they remove the discomforts without getting me into that same state? Then it is also possible that there is mostly a bodily trauma behind my discomforts. A yoga therapist who gave me healing last week suggested that was the case: a muscular problem manifesting in the chest area was caused by tension in my shoulders, the cause of which was all these hours spent by the computer. I am a scientist, so what I do is teaching and writing books. My chest problems make it difficult for me to teach. Therefore I don%rsquot teach more than I am obligated to. Instead I spend more time at the computer, writing. When I take on extra jobs to make a living, it is also writing. What I would like to do is giving more courses for people outside of the university. Of course, I have surrendered my chest pains numerous times. But for some reason, they have not gone away in spite of the fact that they did when I surrendered every peace of my body to Goddess. How can I be the god of my own life in relation to this and still keep an attitude of surrender? Maybe I need to get past my lack of trust for the "manipulative" ego-based NLP methods and use them to change my way of thinking?

Actually, I normally don%rsquot even use any NLP techniques in spite of the fact that I have a 2½ year education as NLP master practitioner, coach and trainer (I did not even finish the courses: there are  some minor tasks left). I just don%rsquot feel comfortable with them, because I feel as if they kind of manipulate what is to be surrendered to Goddess in stead. I feel somewhat confused in relation to this. Is it a reliable gut feeling, or is it caused by fear?

[Tommy]

Hi Vyana

I dont know wether it is a reliable gut fealing or a fear raction you are experiencing (since i dont know NLP). I could imagine that some NLP is duality based or even manipulative, but some of it might be gold? Maybe you can capture the possibillity of positive change from NLP and make it into active surrender? Maybe a part of the problem is that NLP when used as a system becomes a mindset or manifest that is not fully integrated as truth (or your truth)and becomes conflicting with the still small voice within? (I mean a bit like an entity??) Maybe a surrender of the NLP system will make it more flexible.. and Goddes can show you a way of working with it that is more in tune with your spirit and divine flow?

Blessings
Tommy

: I have found the active surrender Mystress taught me is probably the most useful tool of all on my spiritual journey. Then, Mystress has also taught me that I am, by my way of thinking, the god of my own life. And she has also advised me to change my way of thinking by making different choices. I have been taught a lot of NLP techniques to accomplish such changes. But for some reason I have most often felt reluctant to use the most advanced techniques on myself (or letting some one do that). I don%rsquot know why; it just doesn%rsquot feel right.

: What I got to hear from the teacher and other students was mostly blame; "You have decided to keep this discomfort" (I have some kind of discomfort in my solar plexus area; the stomach kind of "blows itself up" and I am only able to speak for a short while; then getting cramps in my diaphragm, so intense that I have to stop, a pressure on my forehead and dizziness in my head); "There is emotional trauma behind this discomfort and you are not ready to give it up yet" etc. Their attitude is that whenever anything does not work: blame the client. Of course, this attitude did not increase my trust (personally I think it sucks and I don't believe it is in accordance with the NLP guidelines). Maybe they are right and maybe their attitude caused this; maybe I just don%rsquot trust the practitioners and don%rsquot want to deal with their projections?

: But on the other hand: I once tried surrendering all the karmas in my body to Goddess and it worked, but it left me in a place of awareness and loneliness which was so intense that I could not take it. Therefore, I asked Goddess to take it slower, at a pace that I could handle. So, where would the NLP techniques leave me? Would they remove the discomforts without getting me into that same state? Then it is also possible that there is mostly a bodily trauma behind my discomforts. A yoga therapist who gave me healing last week suggested that was the case: a muscular problem manifesting in the chest area was caused by tension in my shoulders, the cause of which was all these hours spent by the computer. I am a scientist, so what I do is teaching and writing books. My chest problems make it difficult for me to teach. Therefore I don%rsquot teach more than I am obligated to. Instead I spend more time at the computer, writing. When I take on extra jobs to make a living, it is also writing. What I would like to do is giving more courses for people outside of the university. Of course, I have surrendered my chest pains numerous times. But for some reason, they have not gone away in spite of the fact that they did when I surrendered every peace of my body to Goddess. How can I be the god of my own life in relation to this and still keep an attitude of surrender? Maybe I need to get past my lack of trust for the "manipulative" ego-based NLP methods and use them to change my way of thinking?

: Actually, I normally don%rsquot even use any NLP techniques in spite of the fact that I have a 2½ year education as NLP master practitioner, coach and trainer (I did not even finish the courses: there are  some minor tasks left). I just don%rsquot feel comfortable with them, because I feel as if they kind of manipulate what is to be surrendered to Goddess in stead. I feel somewhat confused in relation to this. Is it a reliable gut feeling, or is it caused by fear?

[Vyana]

Thank you Tommy! Surrendering NLP is a good advice. I never thought of that. Nice to know this is not the Vyana message board to.

NLP is practical psychology and a method to really put the ego in charge of the subconscious. Whether it works that way is another question. The basic idea is that you can feel and function better by restoring your subconscious, e.g. by substituting a destructive behaviour for a more constructive one with the same aim. For instance, you try to copy the values, beliefs and strategies of a successful person to achieve success yourself (there are elaborated techniques for that). To feel good we might use %ldquoanchoring%rdquo, which is basically a technique to create a conditioned response which helps us get back into emotional states we have experienced before. There are also techniques to deal with inner conflict, e.g. by letting them out in a one person role play to negotiate. And there are techniques to get relief from trauma and suppressed emotions.

One basic theory here is that trauma is really nothing more than a conditioned response, which makes us (automatically and immediately) connect certain painful feelings to certain experiences, such as sensory inputs, thoughts etc (even if that is irrational); actually an anchoring which we do not want to have. Therefore, one way to proceed is to break up this conditioning. We can do that by using an imagined personal time line to go back to the non-affected state we where in before the painful event that caused the trauma in the first place. Thus we don%rsquot need to re-experience the pain or even know what it was all about. On the other hand, we might afterwards have to go through a period of confusion, while our subconscious is reorganised to function without the trauma.

So, the main issue here is whether I should use NLP techniques to get rid of suppressed emotions. Some yogis advice very strong about mixing different types of therapies like that.

: Hi Vyana

: I dont know wether it is a reliable gut fealing or a fear raction you are experiencing (since i dont know NLP). I could imagine that some NLP is duality based or even manipulative, but some of it might be gold? Maybe you can capture the possibillity of positive change from NLP and make it into active surrender? Maybe a part of the problem is that NLP when used as a system becomes a mindset or manifest that is not fully integrated as truth (or your truth)and becomes conflicting with the still small voice within? (I mean a bit like an entity??) Maybe a surrender of the NLP system will make it more flexible.. and Goddes can show you a way of working with it that is more in tune with your spirit and divine flow?

: Blessings
: Tommy

: : I have found the active surrender Mystress taught me is probably the most useful tool of all on my spiritual journey. Then, Mystress has also taught me that I am, by my way of thinking, the god of my own life. And she has also advised me to change my way of thinking by making different choices. I have been taught a lot of NLP techniques to accomplish such changes. But for some reason I have most often felt reluctant to use the most advanced techniques on myself (or letting some one do that). I don%rsquot know why; it just doesn%rsquot feel right.

: : What I got to hear from the teacher and other students was mostly blame; "You have decided to keep this discomfort" (I have some kind of discomfort in my solar plexus area; the stomach kind of "blows itself up" and I am only able to speak for a short while; then getting cramps in my diaphragm, so intense that I have to stop, a pressure on my forehead and dizziness in my head); "There is emotional trauma behind this discomfort and you are not ready to give it up yet" etc. Their attitude is that whenever anything does not work: blame the client. Of course, this attitude did not increase my trust (personally I think it sucks and I don't believe it is in accordance with the NLP guidelines). Maybe they are right and maybe their attitude caused this; maybe I just don%rsquot trust the practitioners and don%rsquot want to deal with their projections?

: : But on the other hand: I once tried surrendering all the karmas in my body to Goddess and it worked, but it left me in a place of awareness and loneliness which was so intense that I could not take it. Therefore, I asked Goddess to take it slower, at a pace that I could handle. So, where would the NLP techniques leave me? Would they remove the discomforts without getting me into that same state? Then it is also possible that there is mostly a bodily trauma behind my discomforts. A yoga therapist who gave me healing last week suggested that was the case: a muscular problem manifesting in the chest area was caused by tension in my shoulders, the cause of which was all these hours spent by the computer. I am a scientist, so what I do is teaching and writing books. My chest problems make it difficult for me to teach. Therefore I don%rsquot teach more than I am obligated to. Instead I spend more time at the computer, writing. When I take on extra jobs to make a living, it is also writing. What I would like to do is giving more courses for people outside of the university. Of course, I have surrendered my chest pains numerous times. But for some reason, they have not gone away in spite of the fact that they did when I surrendered every peace of my body to Goddess. How can I be the god of my own life in relation to this and still keep an attitude of surrender? Maybe I need to get past my lack of trust for the "manipulative" ego-based NLP methods and use them to change my way of thinking?

: : Actually, I normally don%rsquot even use any NLP techniques in spite of the fact that I have a 2½ year education as NLP master practitioner, coach and trainer (I did not even finish the courses: there are  some minor tasks left). I just don%rsquot feel comfortable with them, because I feel as if they kind of manipulate what is to be surrendered to Goddess in stead. I feel somewhat confused in relation to this. Is it a reliable gut feeling, or is it caused by fear?

[Mystress]

  Hello. Some elements of NLP are good, a few have even been incorporated into this course... but unfortunately, as you say there are many techniques to put ego in charge, which are not compatable with Kundalini.

 I like the swish technique... modify it by letting Goddess provide the replacement picture. The time line therapy travel is fine, it is really Witness state detachment and surrender via forgiveness... so long as you don't start putting things into your future.  I am not sure it works better than "Goddess please take this in top down fashion from point of origin."

  See a chiropractor for the chest pain. Sounds like you have a rib out of place. Blessings...

: Thank you Tommy! Surrendering NLP is a good advice. I never thought of that. Nice to know this is not the Vyana message board to.

: NLP is practical psychology and a method to really put the ego in charge of the subconscious. Whether it works that way is another question. The basic idea is that you can feel and function better by restoring your subconscious, e.g. by substituting a destructive behaviour for a more constructive one with the same aim. For instance, you try to copy the values, beliefs and strategies of a successful person to achieve success yourself (there are elaborated techniques for that). To feel good we might use %ldquoanchoring%rdquo, which is basically a technique to create a conditioned response which helps us get back into emotional states we have experienced before. There are also techniques to deal with inner conflict, e.g. by letting them out in a one person role play to negotiate. And there are techniques to get relief from trauma and suppressed emotions.

: One basic theory here is that trauma is really nothing more than a conditioned response, which makes us (automatically and immediately) connect certain painful feelings to certain experiences, such as sensory inputs, thoughts etc (even if that is irrational); actually an anchoring which we do not want to have. Therefore, one way to proceed is to break up this conditioning. We can do that by using an imagined personal time line to go back to the non-affected state we where in before the painful event that caused the trauma in the first place. Thus we don%rsquot need to re-experience the pain or even know what it was all about. On the other hand, we might afterwards have to go through a period of confusion, while our subconscious is reorganised to function without the trauma.

: So, the main issue here is whether I should use NLP techniques to get rid of suppressed emotions. Some yogis advice very strong about mixing different types of therapies like that.

: : Hi Vyana

: : I dont know wether it is a reliable gut fealing or a fear raction you are experiencing (since i dont know NLP). I could imagine that some NLP is duality based or even manipulative, but some of it might be gold? Maybe you can capture the possibillity of positive change from NLP and make it into active surrender? Maybe a part of the problem is that NLP when used as a system becomes a mindset or manifest that is not fully integrated as truth (or your truth)and becomes conflicting with the still small voice within? (I mean a bit like an entity??) Maybe a surrender of the NLP system will make it more flexible.. and Goddes can show you a way of working with it that is more in tune with your spirit and divine flow?

: : Blessings
: : Tommy

: : : I have found the active surrender Mystress taught me is probably the most useful tool of all on my spiritual journey. Then, Mystress has also taught me that I am, by my way of thinking, the god of my own life. And she has also advised me to change my way of thinking by making different choices. I have been taught a lot of NLP techniques to accomplish such changes. But for some reason I have most often felt reluctant to use the most advanced techniques on myself (or letting some one do that). I don%rsquot know why; it just doesn%rsquot feel right.

: : : What I got to hear from the teacher and other students was mostly blame; "You have decided to keep this discomfort" (I have some kind of discomfort in my solar plexus area; the stomach kind of "blows itself up" and I am only able to speak for a short while; then getting cramps in my diaphragm, so intense that I have to stop, a pressure on my forehead and dizziness in my head); "There is emotional trauma behind this discomfort and you are not ready to give it up yet" etc. Their attitude is that whenever anything does not work: blame the client. Of course, this attitude did not increase my trust (personally I think it sucks and I don't believe it is in accordance with the NLP guidelines). Maybe they are right and maybe their attitude caused this; maybe I just don%rsquot trust the practitioners and don%rsquot want to deal with their projections?

: : : But on the other hand: I once tried surrendering all the karmas in my body to Goddess and it worked, but it left me in a place of awareness and loneliness which was so intense that I could not take it. Therefore, I asked Goddess to take it slower, at a pace that I could handle. So, where would the NLP techniques leave me? Would they remove the discomforts without getting me into that same state? Then it is also possible that there is mostly a bodily trauma behind my discomforts. A yoga therapist who gave me healing last week suggested that was the case: a muscular problem manifesting in the chest area was caused by tension in my shoulders, the cause of which was all these hours spent by the computer. I am a scientist, so what I do is teaching and writing books. My chest problems make it difficult for me to teach. Therefore I don%rsquot teach more than I am obligated to. Instead I spend more time at the computer, writing. When I take on extra jobs to make a living, it is also writing. What I would like to do is giving more courses for people outside of the university. Of course, I have surrendered my chest pains numerous times. But for some reason, they have not gone away in spite of the fact that they did when I surrendered every peace of my body to Goddess. How can I be the god of my own life in relation to this and still keep an attitude of surrender? Maybe I need to get past my lack of trust for the "manipulative" ego-based NLP methods and use them to change my way of thinking?

: : : Actually, I normally don%rsquot even use any NLP techniques in spite of the fact that I have a 2½ year education as NLP master practitioner, coach and trainer (I did not even finish the courses: there are  some minor tasks left). I just don%rsquot feel comfortable with them, because I feel as if they kind of manipulate what is to be surrendered to Goddess in stead. I feel somewhat confused in relation to this. Is it a reliable gut feeling, or is it caused by fear?

[Vyana]

Yes, I do appreciate the NLP theory for understanding perception and how the brain works; perceptual filters such as meta programs etc. But I prefer grounding and surrender as tools to feel better. Then I have this bad feeling about time line therapy. Once I practiced time line therapy on myself and ended up in a very frightening scene, which I perceived as several thousands of millions of years ago. I was floating in space and in front of me there was a big bright sun. It was as if I got my energy from that sun. But it was just about to turn dark because of a solar eclipse. The last piece of the sun was just about to disappear, and it made me frightened to death. Maybe I was scared by this experience and maybe I am afraid of what might be coming up?  

:   Hello. Some elements of NLP are good, a few have even been incorporated into this course... but unfortunately, as you say there are many techniques to put ego in charge, which are not compatable with Kundalini.

:   I like the swish technique... modify it by letting Goddess provide the replacement picture. The time line therapy travel is fine, it is really Witness state detachment and surrender via forgiveness... so long as you don't start putting things into your future.  I am not sure it works better than "Goddess please take this in top down fashion from point of origin."

:    See a chiropractor for the chest pain. Sounds like you have a rib out of place. Blessings...

: : Thank you Tommy! Surrendering NLP is a good advice. I never thought of that. Nice to know this is not the Vyana message board to.

: : NLP is practical psychology and a method to really put the ego in charge of the subconscious. Whether it works that way is another question. The basic idea is that you can feel and function better by restoring your subconscious, e.g. by substituting a destructive behaviour for a more constructive one with the same aim. For instance, you try to copy the values, beliefs and strategies of a successful person to achieve success yourself (there are elaborated techniques for that). To feel good we might use %ldquoanchoring%rdquo, which is basically a technique to create a conditioned response which helps us get back into emotional states we have experienced before. There are also techniques to deal with inner conflict, e.g. by letting them out in a one person role play to negotiate. And there are techniques to get relief from trauma and suppressed emotions.

: : One basic theory here is that trauma is really nothing more than a conditioned response, which makes us (automatically and immediately) connect certain painful feelings to certain experiences, such as sensory inputs, thoughts etc (even if that is irrational); actually an anchoring which we do not want to have. Therefore, one way to proceed is to break up this conditioning. We can do that by using an imagined personal time line to go back to the non-affected state we where in before the painful event that caused the trauma in the first place. Thus we don%rsquot need to re-experience the pain or even know what it was all about. On the other hand, we might afterwards have to go through a period of confusion, while our subconscious is reorganised to function without the trauma.

: : So, the main issue here is whether I should use NLP techniques to get rid of suppressed emotions. Some yogis advice very strong about mixing different types of therapies like that.

:
: : : Hi Vyana

: : : I dont know wether it is a reliable gut fealing or a fear raction you are experiencing (since i dont know NLP). I could imagine that some NLP is duality based or even manipulative, but some of it might be gold? Maybe you can capture the possibillity of positive change from NLP and make it into active surrender? Maybe a part of the problem is that NLP when used as a system becomes a mindset or manifest that is not fully integrated as truth (or your truth)and becomes conflicting with the still small voice within? (I mean a bit like an entity??) Maybe a surrender of the NLP system will make it more flexible.. and Goddes can show you a way of working with it that is more in tune with your spirit and divine flow?

: : : Blessings
: : : Tommy

: : : : I have found the active surrender Mystress taught me is probably the most useful tool of all on my spiritual journey. Then, Mystress has also taught me that I am, by my way of thinking, the god of my own life. And she has also advised me to change my way of thinking by making different choices. I have been taught a lot of NLP techniques to accomplish such changes. But for some reason I have most often felt reluctant to use the most advanced techniques on myself (or letting some one do that). I don%rsquot know why; it just doesn%rsquot feel right.

: : : : What I got to hear from the teacher and other students was mostly blame; "You have decided to keep this discomfort" (I have some kind of discomfort in my solar plexus area; the stomach kind of "blows itself up" and I am only able to speak for a short while; then getting cramps in my diaphragm, so intense that I have to stop, a pressure on my forehead and dizziness in my head); "There is emotional trauma behind this discomfort and you are not ready to give it up yet" etc. Their attitude is that whenever anything does not work: blame the client. Of course, this attitude did not increase my trust (personally I think it sucks and I don't believe it is in accordance with the NLP guidelines). Maybe they are right and maybe their attitude caused this; maybe I just don%rsquot trust the practitioners and don%rsquot want to deal with their projections?

: : : : But on the other hand: I once tried surrendering all the karmas in my body to Goddess and it worked, but it left me in a place of awareness and loneliness which was so intense that I could not take it. Therefore, I asked Goddess to take it slower, at a pace that I could handle. So, where would the NLP techniques leave me? Would they remove the discomforts without getting me into that same state? Then it is also possible that there is mostly a bodily trauma behind my discomforts. A yoga therapist who gave me healing last week suggested that was the case: a muscular problem manifesting in the chest area was caused by tension in my shoulders, the cause of which was all these hours spent by the computer. I am a scientist, so what I do is teaching and writing books. My chest problems make it difficult for me to teach. Therefore I don%rsquot teach more than I am obligated to. Instead I spend more time at the computer, writing. When I take on extra jobs to make a living, it is also writing. What I would like to do is giving more courses for people outside of the university. Of course, I have surrendered my chest pains numerous times. But for some reason, they have not gone away in spite of the fact that they did when I surrendered every peace of my body to Goddess. How can I be the god of my own life in relation to this and still keep an attitude of surrender? Maybe I need to get past my lack of trust for the "manipulative" ego-based NLP methods and use them to change my way of thinking?

: : : : Actually, I normally don%rsquot even use any NLP techniques in spite of the fact that I have a 2½ year education as NLP master practitioner, coach and trainer (I did not even finish the courses: there are  some minor tasks left). I just don%rsquot feel comfortable with them, because I feel as if they kind of manipulate what is to be surrendered to Goddess in stead. I feel somewhat confused in relation to this. Is it a reliable gut feeling, or is it caused by fear?

[Mystress]

: Yes, I do appreciate the NLP theory for understanding perception and how the brain works; perceptual filters such as meta programs etc. But I prefer grounding and surrender as tools to feel better. Then I have this bad feeling about time line therapy. Once I practiced time line therapy on myself and ended up in a very frightening scene, which I perceived as several thousands of millions of years ago. I was floating in space and in front of me there was a big bright sun. It was as if I got my energy from that sun. But it was just about to turn dark because of a solar eclipse. The last piece of the sun was just about to disappear, and it made me frightened to death. Maybe I was scared by this experience and maybe I am afraid of what might be coming up?  

Time line therapy is dangerous if you don't do it correctly... which is part of the reason why I rarely teach it... the other being that I am not licenced to do so! I took the training from Tad James, around 1994.

 The part where you rise up out of your body to look at your time line is the same as the director's crane visualization for the Witness state. Lifting your consciousness into the Witness. You still had emotions- fear- so you were not high enough above your timeline.

People make the mistake of diving into the event they see below, and that is a really bad idea because you will bring it with you into the here and now, and become lost in the emotional content. You can get out of it by redoing the time line visalization properly, but people tend to get too upset to think of that.

  Blessings...

[Vyana]

: Time line therapy is dangerous if you don't do it correctly... which is part of the reason why I rarely teach it... the other being that I am not licensed to do so! I took the training from Tad James, around 1994.

- I think you hit right on the spot here! The fact is I don%rsquot trust any of the people I know who practice the time line therapy in my country to do it correctly in all details. At the training, many (most?) of the participants did not seem to get much more half of the instructions and what they practiced was something very different from time line therapy as we were instructed to practice it. In the same time a lot of them were really excited and there was a mood almost of salvation. Personally, I felt rather bad about the situation (partly because one or two of the participants got rather emotionally messed up and for some reason attacked me orally). I felt as if I was in a tent with a crowd of religious fanatics whose beliefs I did not share. At that time I thought it was only me and my bullying trauma; and that was most likely part of it, but looking back at it I suppose it was not all. The teacher also appeared to me as somewhat careless. He constantly violates quite a few of the NLP guidelines and always blames the "client" when something does not work. When I told him about my experience with practising the NLP therapy on myself, he just shrugged and told me about a similar experience he once had himself. His attitude was that such things happen now and then and that it was not a problem.

:  The part where you rise up out of your body to look at your time line is the same as the director's crane visualization for the Witness state. Lifting your consciousness into the Witness. You still had emotions- fear- so you were not high enough above your timeline.

- I understand, but I believe I was high enough to look down at (at least most) events in this life without any emotions. But what seemed to happen was that I was somehow drawn directly into that experience. I never saw if from above. Actually I don%rsquot think I was above myself at all when I had the frightening experience (but on the other hand, I was floating in space and I did not look down%hellip). At least I perceived the solar eclipse directly and was scared by it.

:  People make the mistake of diving into the event they see below, and that is a really bad idea because you will bring it with you into the here and now, and become lost in the emotional content. You can get out of it by redoing the time line visualization properly, but people tend to get too upset to think of that.

- I think this is exactly what happened to me! But I did not knowingly dive into the event; I was just there!

- At least some of the participants in the NLP training directed their "clients" into the events. (The first instruction I ever got from another participant in NLP training was this: "Go back to the event!" I answered: "What event?" But then we were really newbie%rsquos.)

[Scott E]

Hey Vyana,

Change your beliefs for a week or a month. Don't make any new beliefs about why your life isn't as good as it should, and see what arises.

Surrender and let Goddess give you the insights on what direction to take.

It seems to work for me.

Scott E

: Maybe I need to get past my lack of trust for the "manipulative" ego-based NLP methods and use them to change my way of thinking?

[Scott E]

Hm this line isn't very clear. I mean, don't immediatly resort to your old ways of dealing with things NLP etc. Release expectations.

: Don't make any new beliefs about why your life isn't as good as it should, and see what arises.