Astral Travel?

[Scott K]

I read a story in the book "Father Shores" That a woman who met up with a man who was practicing Wiccan was "Astrally" raped by him. She had all the physical sensations and could even smell semen. Also I talked to a lady once who was trying to leave Wiccan and she had felt someone trying to choke her when she was lying in bed.

Is there a word for what happened to these two people? Can a person Astral Travel and actually effect things physically? Or are they only able to effect other beings energy bodies?

Haven't read of this phenomena before and know that there is some Wiccans on here, so thought I would ask. Thanks

Scott K

[Tommy]

Yes it can be done.. i was not raped though in the sexual sense atleast I have had 2 "black magicians" (lack of better word) on my back a few years back, i was amazed how powerfull they where.. i would like to see them use their powers for good instead. The woman came trough so strong that i could see her.. but she could not do direct physical stuff, only from the astral level, but this can be a very real experience. Having a person like that under your skin is very frustrating.

I learned alot but it really sucked while it was going on because i did not know how to deal with it. It is the first time in my life i seriously considered beating up a woman.. i just wasnt sure if that would make the whole thing worse.

I tried everything to protect myself, but it was like trying to stop a tsunami with an umbrella. After a few months of harrasment i found that surrender was my only option. Whatever they did i remained grounded and centered.. then the energies etc. went back to them (law of karma i guess). It seemed to tire them out alot.. and they went for easier meals.

For awhile after it ended i was not sure how to deal with the fact that they continued their fun with other people. But what could i do? invent an instant karma spell? i figured that it was all great and that their prey had bad karma or needed some drama

But i dont think there is many out there doing stuff like that though.. atleast not in my neighbourhood.

But yes it is possible to do a thing like that. To my knowledge they where not wiccans, and i know very little about that..

Tommy

: I read a story in the book "Father Shores" That a woman who met up with a man who was practicing Wiccan was "Astrally" raped by him. She had all the physical sensations and could even smell semen. Also I talked to a lady once who was trying to leave Wiccan and she had felt someone trying to choke her when she was lying in bed.

: Is there a word for what happened to these two people? Can a person Astral Travel and actually effect things physically? Or are they only able to effect other beings energy bodies?

: Haven't read of this phenomena before and know that there is some Wiccans on here, so thought I would ask. Thanks

: Scott K

[Scott E]

Hm when I think about this now, either the self has done something to cause another to attack them, or Goddess is giving you some sort of gift.

For someone to control your body and mind, they would have to over-ride your free will which is just not possible.

I have found that if someone can affect my body and mind, it is because karma is being stirred up or I am holding on to a limiting belief or doing something I'm not supposed to be doing. But with that view, its always me who is responsible for what happens to me anyways. So I release expectations and affirm that Goddess will repeat messages in threes.

Scott E

: Yes it can be done.. i was not raped though in the sexual sense atleast I have had 2 "black magicians" (lack of better word) on my back a few years back, i was amazed how powerfull they where.. i would like to see them use their powers for good instead.

[Tommy]

*For someone to control your body and mind, they would have to over-ride your free will which is just not possible* maybe so.. i dont know where you got the controling part though. I would say influencing

It is nice you are at a place where goddes has it handled and have a sense of self. It is a bit like the chicken and the egg.. what came first, the self or the loss of self?

If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time it is your own doing.. but if we had a clue what we where doing.. we propably wouldnt have gone there.

Even though i understand what you are saying, and life my life from that place, i dont fully get it yet. Goddes has it handled and nothing bad happens to me.. and yet i dont feel totaly free in this world. I share this world with others, there are asholes, cold hearted women, tyrants, airheads, no ground at all´s etc. When i life my life i can mostly understand and relate to what is happening to me.. i can relate and understand why things happen to other people. When i am in oneness i experience total freedom even in the presence of "lesser beings *s*". But still i am at a level where the world is a shared place. Maybe it is an aspect of the savior syndrome.. or the i want nothing to do with this world syndrome?

Should i do something to ease their pain.. or just take the ticket out of here next time god offers me one.

It is the crazy aspects of duality.. i can create freedom only because it is not given.

There is still something my personality doesnt understand related to the earth path and sky path. Earth path is about surrendering to Goddes and merging with her. The skypath is merging with God and having the power to create? I still dont understand how to fully unite these two experineces? I know there should not be a conflict and still i experience one. Maybe because i think the skypath involves other people.

: Hm when I think about this now, either the self has done something to cause another to attack them, or Goddess is giving you some sort of gift.

: For someone to control your body and mind, they would have to over-ride your free will which is just not possible.

: I have found that if someone can affect my body and mind, it is because karma is being stirred up or I am holding on to a limiting belief or doing something I'm not supposed to be doing. But with that view, its always me who is responsible for what happens to me anyways. So I release expectations and affirm that Goddess will repeat messages in threes.

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: Scott E

: : Yes it can be done.. i was not raped though in the sexual sense atleast I have had 2 "black magicians" (lack of better word) on my back a few years back, i was amazed how powerfull they where.. i would like to see them use their powers for good instead.

[Mystress]

  Very accurate, Scott. Yes, it is possible to attack someone with magic, but you have to have their consent, on some level.
As a friend of mine likes to say.. "If your God-dess you serve won't protect you from psychic attack, then you are serving the wrong God-dess.

Blessings...

: Hm when I think about this now, either the self has done something to cause another to attack them, or Goddess is giving you some sort of gift.

: For someone to control your body and mind, they would have to over-ride your free will which is just not possible.

: I have found that if someone can affect my body and mind, it is because karma is being stirred up or I am holding on to a limiting belief or doing something I'm not supposed to be doing. But with that view, its always me who is responsible for what happens to me anyways. So I release expectations and affirm that Goddess will repeat messages in threes.

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: Scott E

: : Yes it can be done.. i was not raped though in the sexual sense atleast I have had 2 "black magicians" (lack of better word) on my back a few years back, i was amazed how powerfull they where.. i would like to see them use their powers for good instead.

[Mystress]

: I tried everything to protect myself, but it was like trying to stop a tsunami with an umbrella. After a few months of harrasment i found that surrender was my only option. Whatever they did i remained grounded and centered.. then the energies etc. went back to them (law of karma i guess).

Hey, now you are getting it.

: For awhile after it ended i was not sure how to deal with the fact that they continued their fun with other people. But what could i do? invent an instant karma spell?

Actually, yes. I call it an ugly mirror bubble. Put a bubble around them that is mirrored on the inside, reflects what they do back at them. Just remember that what you do to another, you do to yourself so you will be in an ugly mirror bubble too. Which, sometimes is not so bad! I put one on myself sometimes when I need to locate some difficult to find karma. Just don't leave it on too long.

Blessings!

[Tommy]

: : I tried everything to protect myself, but it was like trying to stop a tsunami with an umbrella. After a few months of harrasment i found that surrender was my only option. Whatever they did i remained grounded and centered.. then the energies etc. went back to them (law of karma i guess).

: Hey, now you are getting it.

Yes i get it.. i am still not sure if i like it

: : For awhile after it ended i was not sure how to deal with the fact that they continued their fun with other people. But what could i do? invent an instant karma spell?

: Actually, yes. I call it an ugly mirror bubble. Put a bubble around them that is mirrored on the inside, reflects what they do back at them. Just remember that what you do to another, you do to yourself so you will be in an ugly mirror bubble too. Which, sometimes is not so bad! I put one on myself sometimes when I need to locate some difficult to find karma. Just don't leave it on too long.

: Blessings!  

Yeah i tried that too.. one week of fun It is really a reallity check.. but a good way to find out how much less than love energies i send out.. i felt lousy so i guess i will purify some more. It was a long time ago since i did this.. and now i see there is more to this. Placing a spell like this is not only an ugly mirror.. is is also a barrier, i felt like i had a plastic bag around me.. i guess some of the ill effects is due to energy suffocation? or did i make it too good?

I did not feel like playing policeman at the time.. since i read the road to hell of good intentions i know why. But if i come across them again i will teach them a lesson though! but i guess that wont be nescesarry

Blessings to you too!! i really like you *s*

[Scott E]

I have my own loops that don't seem easy to get out of. Usually they don't last too long before I realize it is silly.

Hm I always like to think that the answers are trivial and simplistic. If they aren't simplistic, then I don't know how to deal with them anyways and I would get in trouble if I try and do anything about them, so I let Goddess take care of those.

A lot of the problems I found, I didn't even care about in the end. I have often said "here I am now, no turning back". I found a lot of my concerns were silly and I was just playing a mind games a lot of times.

After the mind game is over all I really wanted to do most of the time is play xbox and have a productive day at work and enjoy life. But I also want to try other types of magic some day.

"controlling" is a term I use, perhaps it is a little harsh but I just wanted to use it for emphasis in defining boundaries of free will.

Scott

: *For someone to control your body and mind, they would have to over-ride your free will which is just not possible* maybe so.. i dont know where you got the controling part though. I would say influencing

[Scott K]

7 posts alread and no-one answered my original question! lol

Is there a word for what happened to these two people? OBE, Astral Travel or something else?

Can a person Astral Travel or have OBE's and actually effect things physically? Or are they only able to effect other beings energy bodies?

I'm interested in the "science" behind this.

Scott K

[Tommy]

The question was answered i believe, atleast how i understood the question *s* yes it can be done.. and astral contact can be as strong as physical contact. You can be knocked out by a astral blow and experience the pain physically.

The influende comes trough the energy body.. and one has to have holes/blind spots in the aura. And there has to be an agreement between the two parts. I dont mean that the souls meets up agreeing to play this game nescisarrily. If a girl has patterns of abuse, victimhood, fear of rape, hatred towards men etc. these function as doors where "anyone" can enter and abuse her. ANd when goddes wants to close these doors she oftens sends an abuser.

As for the astral travel and effecting the physical i believe it can be done, In relation to moving a chair in another country OBE. I only think this is possible for for high adepts and not by wiccans or blackmagicians. And then i think it is no longer OBE but bi-locating.

There are many stories about sai baba doing things like these.. buying an item in usa while he is in india, and then hand it over to a person in india.

Like with voodo the physical body suffers even though it is not directly influenced.

I have experienced realigning the scheleton and spine of many people long distance.. where their bones shift positions. This could be in the same category as well as distant healing.

I have had OBE´s but not experienced any direct physical influence.. i have more been witnessing other people.

Is that enough answer and why do you want to know?

: 7 posts alread and no-one answered my original question! lol

: Is there a word for what happened to these two people? OBE, Astral Travel or something else?

: Can a person Astral Travel or have OBE's and actually effect things physically? Or are they only able to effect other beings energy bodies?

: I'm interested in the "science" behind this.

: Scott K

[Scott K]

Thanks for the answer Tommy. I'm quite fascinated by the paranormal, like to know what is possible, why it is possible and precautions one should take  from people who are misusing stuff like this.

I'll have to read up more on the term bi-locating.

Thanks.

Scott K

: The question was answered i believe, atleast how i understood the question *s* yes it can be done.. and astral contact can be as strong as physical contact. You can be knocked out by a astral blow and experience the pain physically.

: The influende comes trough the energy body.. and one has to have holes/blind spots in the aura. And there has to be an agreement between the two parts. I dont mean that the souls meets up agreeing to play this game nescisarrily. If a girl has patterns of abuse, victimhood, fear of rape, hatred towards men etc. these function as doors where "anyone" can enter and abuse her. ANd when goddes wants to close these doors she oftens sends an abuser.

: As for the astral travel and effecting the physical i believe it can be done, In relation to moving a chair in another country OBE. I only think this is possible for for high adepts and not by wiccans or blackmagicians. And then i think it is no longer OBE but bi-locating.

: There are many stories about sai baba doing things like these.. buying an item in usa while he is in india, and then hand it over to a person in india.

: Like with voodo the physical body suffers even though it is not directly influenced.

: I have experienced realigning the scheleton and spine of many people long distance.. where their bones shift positions. This could be in the same category as well as distant healing.

: I have had OBE´s but not experienced any direct physical influence.. i have more been witnessing other people.

: Is that enough answer and why do you want to know?

: : 7 posts alread and no-one answered my original question! lol

: : Is there a word for what happened to these two people? OBE, Astral Travel or something else?

: : Can a person Astral Travel or have OBE's and actually effect things physically? Or are they only able to effect other beings energy bodies?

: : I'm interested in the "science" behind this.

: : Scott K

[Mystress]

OK, let me describe it another way. It is similar to the Guru game.

Free Will is Goddess Law. If you are blaming someone else for how you feel, or believing they can affect it, then you are making them be God for you. You are using your free will to give your own Divine power away to the other.

The Divine Beloved is a slave to ego in many ways so if it sees you doing this, it may go along with it, and manifest the results.

 Most of what is called "Astral rape" is the Beloved trying to connect to the body. People don't understand what is happening and get frightened.

  Blessings...

: 7 posts alread and no-one answered my original question! lol

: Is there a word for what happened to these two people? OBE, Astral Travel or something else?

: Can a person Astral Travel or have OBE's and actually effect things physically? Or are they only able to effect other beings energy bodies?

: I'm interested in the "science" behind this.

: Scott K

[Lauren]

: I read a story in the book "Father Shores" That a woman who met up with a man who was practicing Wiccan was "Astrally" raped by him. She had all the physical sensations and could even smell semen. Also I talked to a lady once who was trying to leave Wiccan and she had felt someone trying to choke her when she was lying in bed.

: Is there a word for what happened to these two people? Can a person Astral Travel and actually effect things physically? Or are they only able to effect other beings energy bodies?

: Haven't read of this phenomena before and know that there is some Wiccans on here, so thought I would ask. Thanks

: Scott K

[Lauren]

: I read a story in the book "Father Shores" That a woman who met up with a man who was practicing Wiccan was "Astrally" raped by him. She had all the physical sensations and could even smell semen. Also I talked to a lady once who was trying to leave Wiccan and she had felt someone trying to choke her when she was lying in bed.

: Is there a word for what happened to these two people? Can a person Astral Travel and actually effect things physically? Or are they only able to effect other beings energy bodies?

: Haven't read of this phenomena before and know that there is some Wiccans on here, so thought I would ask. Thanks

: Scott K

Sorry this didn't come out the first try.

I did have an Astral Travel experience many years ago which definitely showed me that I had an affect on the physical world when out of body.  And it saved my life and many others!

I was camping with several others in the Rocky Mountains near Aspen, Co.; everyone except me spent the night inside a motor home.  I was in a sleeping bag on a lawn chair.  Suddenly, I heard a loud crashing in the bushes right near me, and I quickly left my body.  I then saw a huge bear rear itself on its hind legs and put its front paws to the top of the motor home.  I was aware of spooking the bear and it left.

The next morning, I had forgotten about this.  One of the people who had been in the motorhome told me that they had almost had it, as a bear had tried to knock them over.  (I laughed, and said "I know!")

What a miracle...I no longer engage in Astral Travel, as I am focusing on enlightenment, which requires me to be IN my body.  But this was an extraordinary event none the less.