ego voice

DeviRam · May 08, 2002, 03:50:58 PM

Hello, Mystress,
I have been doing a good spring cleaning inside and now the heart voice is well freeer. I still practice asking for the content of a given page of a given book cuz then I can check and see that it is really the heart voice speaking. In the lesson on testing the guides (such a wonderfull lesson...), you speak of the ego voice. Will this voice always be there as long as we have a body, and just to be recognized as the ego and not to mind about since we know to follow the divine guidance of the heart voice instead of the limited viewpoint of the ego? or do you have a magic trick for this one too?

Last night I woke up in the middlde of the night and the spine and the body was filled with light, like a spontaneous grounding, and the light unwinded itself, gliding me into the nothingness of the void...such a wonderfull wonder... and today the nothingness was always there... even while healing ... everything was so weightless...just to be nothing...
With much love and gratiude
We do plan to come and visit you. May be next year, but we do set the wish in our heart and offer it to the Divine...
DeviRam

Mystress · May 10, 2002, 03:09:45 AM

: Hello, Mystress,

Hello, Devi.

: I have been doing a good spring cleaning inside and now the heart voice is well freeer. I still practice asking for the content of a given page of a given book cuz then I can check and see that it is really the heart voice speaking.

What makes you think an entity would not know that?

: In the lesson on testing the guides (such a wonderfull lesson...), you speak of the ego voice. Will this voice always be there as long as we have a body, and just to be recognized as the ego and not to mind about since we know to follow the divine guidance of the heart voice instead of the limited viewpoint of the ego? or do you have a magic trick for this one too?

As your karma clears, the voice of ego diminishes and your mind becomes quiet... and you learn to discern, and not pay much attention to it's noises. As a healer, you take on ego bits from other people too...
What kind of healing do you do?

: Last night I woke up in the middlde of the night and the spine and the body was filled with light, like a spontaneous grounding, and the light unwinded itself, gliding me into the nothingness of the void...such a wonderfull wonder... and today the nothingness was always there... even while healing ... everything was so weightless...just to be nothing...

Beautiful!
Blessings...
: With much love and gratiude
: We do plan to come and visit you. May be next year, but we do set the wish in our heart and offer it to the Divine...
: DeviRam

DeviRam · May 10, 2002, 04:17:45 PM

: : Hello, Mystress,
:
: Hello, Devi.

: : I have been doing a good spring cleaning inside and now the heart voice is well freeer. I still practice asking for the content of a given page of a given book cuz then I can check and see that it is really the heart voice speaking.

: What makes you think an entity would not know that?
oh well, good questions, I never thought about this...anyway may be it is not such a good test...

: : In the lesson on testing the guides (such a wonderfull lesson...), you speak of the ego voice. Will this voice always be there as long as we have a body, and just to be recognized as the ego and not to mind about since we know to follow the divine guidance of the heart voice instead of the limited viewpoint of the ego? or do you have a magic trick for this one too?

: As your karma clears, the voice of ego diminishes and your mind becomes quiet... and you learn to discern, and not pay much attention to it's noises. As a healer, you take on ego bits from other people too...
: What kind of healing do you do?
I heal through prayer. About one year and a half ago the wife of my dutch teacher, who is a healer, exorcist etc, told me that there is by me an angel who is an healing angel and that I have the possibility to heal. This lady heals using christian prayer. She gave me a whole bunch of prayers, which I adapted to what resonates in my heart. At the beginning, I used to see this lady to check a few things with her, but I felt more and more to not go to her anymore because I often feel in my heart differently than her.For instance she wanted me to spend lot of time dealing with entities and my heart was telling me that it is better not to do this, to only deal with entities when they spontaneously come to my attention, but not to intentionally desire to deal with them, but rather to focus on the Divine only. So I stopped seeing this lady. This is one of the reasons why I love your course so much, because in your lessons you often give knowledge who explains what I perceive during healing, and because everything I read from you is inspiring to my heart. For instance in the lesson on testing your guide you explain that angels are so happy to help but need us to ask for help. This helps me to not try to "do it myself thro

DeviRam · May 10, 2002, 04:17:51 PM

: : Hello, Mystress,
:
: Hello, Devi.

: : I have been doing a good spring cleaning inside and now the heart voice is well freeer. I still practice asking for the content of a given page of a given book cuz then I can check and see that it is really the heart voice speaking.

: What makes you think an entity would not know that?
oh well, good questions, I never thought about this...anyway may be it is not such a good test...

: : In the lesson on testing the guides (such a wonderfull lesson...), you speak of the ego voice. Will this voice always be there as long as we have a body, and just to be recognized as the ego and not to mind about since we know to follow the divine guidance of the heart voice instead of the limited viewpoint of the ego? or do you have a magic trick for this one too?

: As your karma clears, the voice of ego diminishes and your mind becomes quiet... and you learn to discern, and not pay much attention to it's noises. As a healer, you take on ego bits from other people too...
: What kind of healing do you do?
I heal through prayer. About one year and a half ago the wife of my dutch teacher, who is a healer, exorcist etc, told me that there is by me an angel who is an healing angel and that I have the possibility to heal. This lady heals using christian prayer. She gave me a whole bunch of prayers, which I adapted to what resonates in my heart. At the beginning, I used to see this lady to check a few things with her, but I felt more and more to not go to her anymore because I often feel in my heart differently than her.For instance she wanted me to spend lot of time dealing with entities and my heart was telling me that it is better not to do this, to only deal with entities when they spontaneously come to my attention, but not to intentionally desire to deal with them, but rather to focus on the Divine only. So I stopped seeing this lady. This is one of the reasons why I love your course so much, because in your lessons you often give knowledge who explains what I perceive during healing, and because everything I read from you is inspiring to my heart. For instance in the lesson on testing your guide you explain that angels are so happy to help but need us to ask for help. This helps me to not try to "do it myself through prayer"when I heal, but to let go more in offering to the divine and the angels.What happens during the healing is completely spontaneous, and without consiously desiring it or organising anything for it, I end up quite busy, with more and more people calling, because they heard from someone that it has helped them a lot. I heal people who are ill, or emotionally troubled, who have lots of entities, need to have their house cleared from entities,or help people who come to healing more for being spiritually helped.People come to my house from healing, or I heal by distance, (since distance does not exist, isn't it?),and also does group healings, at the suggestion of the angel . But since I never received a training, and do not even know much of the human physiology, or about angels, or entities, I appreciate very much all you write about these subjects, and all the additional links... Since I seemed to have been employed by the divine for healing(I was before and am still a meditation teacher), we (my husband and I) had the idea to ask the Divine for extra-professonal relationships, so to speak, and then the light sessions, started, sessions where the Divine interacts through exercice and plays, and where one experiences more the cosmic nature of the cells, our own Divinity etc. Those light sessions are very beautiful, so we now share them with some people I heal or friends.

: : Last night I woke up in the middlde of the night and the spine and the body was filled with light, like a spontaneous grounding, and the light unwinded itself, gliding me into the nothingness of the void...such a wonderfull wonder... and today the nothingness was always there... even while healing ... everything was so weightless...just to be nothing...

: Beautiful!
: Blessings...
: : With much love and gratiude
: : We do plan to come and visit you. May be next year, but we do set the wish in our heart and offer it to the Divine...
: : DeviRam

Mystress · May 11, 2002, 07:43:13 AM

: : : Hello, Mystress,
: :
: : Hello, Devi.

: : : I have been doing a good spring cleaning inside and now the heart voice is well freeer. I still practice asking for the content of a given page of a given book cuz then I can check and see that it is really the heart voice speaking.

: : What makes you think an entity would not know that?
: oh well, good questions, I never thought about this...anyway may be it is not such a good test...

It took me quite a while to get discernment about when other people's heart voices are geniune, or impostors. It is a feeling... the heart voice is of course egoless, nameless and infinite so... it gives us names to call it, that are a reflection of what we are, and generally those names are something like "Light, love, energy, truth.." A truth, not a flarrrery name or boasting.

I am careful in the lesson not to give too many suggestions, or explain too much about what are the "correct" answers because it gives information to the impostors about how to behave! LOL!! It also puts limits on people's experiences. Too many expectations.

Even with my own heart voice sometimes I am not sure who speaks, but there is the resonance of truth in my body, when the info is genuine. In my heart and in my gut. An untruth twigs my power chakra, a little twinge... like a feeling of uncertainty or doubt. "The melodious one" gave me such a twinge. Beep. wrong answer... LOL!! I can also feel it if I speak it aloud, my throat chakra makes a little constriction. A tightness if what I say is not true. Sometimes my voice will raise in pitch, like the sound is squeaking out through a narrow space. Truth comes off the tongue effortless, like the breath and the sound are flowing.

: : : In the lesson on testing the guides (such a wonderfull lesson...), you speak of the ego voice. Will this voice always be there as long as we have a body, and just to be recognized as the ego and not to mind about since we know to follow the divine guidance of the heart voice instead of the limited viewpoint of the ego? or do you have a magic trick for this one too?

: : As your karma clears, the voice of ego diminishes and your mind becomes quiet... and you learn to discern, and not pay much attention to it's noises. As a healer, you take on ego bits from other people too...
: : What kind of healing do you do?
: I heal through prayer. About one year and a half ago the wife of my dutch teacher, who is a healer, exorcist etc, told me that there is by me an angel who is an healing angel and that I have the possibility to heal. This lady heals using christian prayer. She gave me a whole bunch of prayers, which I adapted to what resonates in my heart. At the beginning, I used to see this lady to check a few things with her, but I felt more and more to not go to her anymore because I often feel in my heart differently than her.For instance she wanted me to spend lot of time dealing with entities and my heart was telling me that it is better not to do this, to only deal with entities when they spontaneously come to my attention, but not to intentionally desire to deal with them, but rather to focus on the Divine only.

That is exactly right! If you focus too much on them, you attract more of them and feed them with your vigilance and attention. Turning entities over to the Angels or the Divine Beloved is better, but...

... you see, you already have the power of faith. The power of faith is superior to any ritual, it is where the big miracles come from. Most do not have the power of faith, and so the rituals serve to help grow faith... excercise it like a muscle.

In a typical western Mystery school, like Pagans, Witches, Wicca, Masons, Rosicrutions etc., students learn free will based magic first. It is a little different, with the Yogis of the East. They grow up with Holy men on every streetcorner, doing miracles and begging for alms. Most westerners have been brainwashed to believe magic is not real, and God is distant so they need to discover their own power, before they can grow faith to turn themselves over to their higher power. They are taught to do spells and rituals, like calling on the watchtowers and invoking old Gods and angels. To affect the weather, etc. Then, they are taught why not to use it. LOL!!

This is a Kundalini course, so the focus is on surrender, but even so there are a few free will based rituals, like the computer spell and the bubble spell... but they serve additional purposes. They are practice in moving energy, being aware of it and how it can affect the environment... as well as the basic purpose of the spells themselves and their important functions.

So I stopped seeing this lady. This is one of the reasons why I love your course so much, because in your lessons you often give knowledge who explains what I perceive during healing, and because everything I read from you is inspiring to my heart.

That is lovely! That is the most perfect validation, that your heart opens to the truth. I am glad you study while paying attention to the heart. So often, when I am reading something that is resonant, the heart will fill in the blanks and give me additional information... and it will also explain what is not true.

For instance in the lesson on testing your guide you explain that angels are so happy to help but need us to ask for help. This helps me to not try to "do it myself through prayer"when I heal, but to let go more in offering to the divine and the angels.

Sometimes I need to be reminded, too... The magic does not work, when I get in the way... wanting creates wanting.

What happens during the healing is completely spontaneous, and without consiously desiring it or organising anything for it, I end up quite busy, with more and more people calling, because they heard from someone that it has helped them a lot. I heal people who are ill, or emotionally troubled, who have lots of entities, need to have their house cleared from entities,or help people who come to healing more for being spiritually helped.People come to my house from healing, or I heal by distance, (since distance does not exist, isn't it?),and also does group healings, at the suggestion of the angel.

That is wonderful. It sounds like you are very busy!

But since I never received a training, and do not even know much of the human physiology, or about angels, or entities, I appreciate very much all you write about these subjects, and all the additional links... Since I seemed to have been employed by the divine for healing(I was before and am still a meditation teacher), we (my husband and I) had the idea to ask the Divine for extra-professonal relationships, so to speak, and then the light sessions, started, sessions where the Divine interacts through exercice and plays, and where one experiences more the cosmic nature of the cells, our own Divinity etc. Those light sessions are very beautiful, so we now share them with some people I heal or friends.

It sounds very beautiful. What happens in the Light sessions? What do you do?

: : : With much love and gratiude
: : : We do plan to come and visit you. May be next year, but we do set the wish in our heart and offer it to the Divine...
: : : DeviRam

If you like you can import me. I like to travel now and then, and I have not been to the Netherlands in a long time.
Blessings...

DeviRam · May 11, 2002, 11:04:04 AM

: : : : Hello, Mystress,
: : :
: : : Hello, Devi.

: : : : I have been doing a good spring cleaning inside and now the heart voice is well freeer. I still practice asking for the content of a given page of a given book cuz then I can check and see that it is really the heart voice speaking.

: : : What makes you think an entity would not know that?
: : oh well, good questions, I never thought about this...anyway may be it is not such a good test...

: It took me quite a while to get discernment about when other people's heart voices are geniune, or impostors. It is a feeling... the heart voice is of course egoless, nameless and infinite so... it gives us names to call it, that are a reflection of what we are, and generally those names are something like "Light, love, energy, truth.." A truth, not a flarrrery name or boasting.

: I am careful in the lesson not to give too many suggestions, or explain too much about what are the "correct" answers because it gives information to the impostors about how to behave! LOL!! It also puts limits on people's experiences. Too many expectations.

: Even with my own heart voice sometimes I am not sure who speaks, but there is the resonance of truth in my body, when the info is genuine. In my heart and in my gut. An untruth twigs my power chakra, a little twinge... like a feeling of uncertainty or doubt. "The melodious one" gave me such a twinge. Beep. wrong answer... LOL!! I can also feel it if I speak it aloud, my throat chakra makes a little constriction. A tightness if what I say is not true. Sometimes my voice will raise in pitch, like the sound is squeaking out through a narrow space. Truth comes off the tongue effortless, like the breath and the sound are flowing.

: : : : In the lesson on testing the guides (such a wonderfull lesson...), you speak of the ego voice. Will this voice always be there as long as we have a body, and just to be recognized as the ego and not to mind about since we know to follow the divine guidance of the heart voice instead of the limited viewpoint of the ego? or do you have a magic trick for this one too?

: : : As your karma clears, the voice of ego diminishes and your mind becomes quiet... and you learn to discern, and not pay much attention to it's noises. As a healer, you take on ego bits from other people too...
: : : What kind of healing do you do?
: : I heal through prayer. About one year and a half ago the wife of my dutch teacher, who is a healer, exorcist etc, told me that there is by me an angel who is an healing angel and that I have the possibility to heal. This lady heals using christian prayer. She gave me a whole bunch of prayers, which I adapted to what resonates in my heart. At the beginning, I used to see this lady to check a few things with her, but I felt more and more to not go to her anymore because I often feel in my heart differently than her.For instance she wanted me to spend lot of time dealing with entities and my heart was telling me that it is better not to do this, to only deal with entities when they spontaneously come to my attention, but not to intentionally desire to deal with them, but rather to focus on the Divine only.

: That is exactly right! If you focus too much on them, you attract more of them and feed them with your vigilance and attention. Turning entities over to the Angels or the Divine Beloved is better, but...

: ... you see, you already have the power of faith. The power of faith is superior to any ritual, it is where the big miracles come from. Most do not have the power of faith, and so the rituals serve to help grow faith... excercise it like a muscle.

: In a typical western Mystery school, like Pagans, Witches, Wicca, Masons, Rosicrutions etc., students learn free will based magic first. It is a little different, with the Yogis of the East. They grow up with Holy men on every streetcorner, doing miracles and begging for alms. Most westerners have been brainwashed to believe magic is not real, and God is distant so they need to discover their own power, before they can grow faith to turn themselves over to their higher power. They are taught to do spells and rituals, like calling on the watchtowers and invoking old Gods and angels. To affect the weather, etc. Then, they are taught why not to use it. LOL!!

: This is a Kundalini course, so the focus is on surrender, but even so there are a few free will based rituals, like the computer spell and the bubble spell... but they serve additional purposes. They are practice in moving energy, being aware of it and how it can affect the environment... as well as the basic purpose of the spells themselves and their important functions.
I must have missed on something, cuz I don't know what you call the bubble spell?

: So I stopped seeing this lady. This is one of the reasons why I love your course so much, because in your lessons you often give knowledge who explains what I perceive during healing, and because everything I read from you is inspiring to my heart.

: That is lovely! That is the most perfect validation, that your heart opens to the truth. I am glad you study while paying attention to the heart. So often, when I am reading something that is resonant, the heart will fill in the blanks and give me additional information... and it will also explain what is not true.

: For instance in the lesson on testing your guide you explain that angels are so happy to help but need us to ask for help. This helps me to not try to "do it myself through prayer"when I heal, but to let go more in offering to the divine and the angels.

: Sometimes I need to be reminded, too... The magic does not work, when I get in the way... wanting creates wanting.

: What happens during the healing is completely spontaneous, and without consiously desiring it or organising anything for it, I end up quite busy, with more and more people calling, because they heard from someone that it has helped them a lot. I heal people who are ill, or emotionally troubled, who have lots of entities, need to have their house cleared from entities,or help people who come to healing more for being spiritually helped.People come to my house from healing, or I heal by distance, (since distance does not exist, isn't it?),and also does group healings, at the suggestion of the angel.

: That is wonderful. It sounds like you are very busy!
Oh yes... a free saturday likes today is nowaday quite rare...

: But since I never received a training, and do not even know much of the human physiology, or about angels, or entities, I appreciate very much all you write about these subjects, and all the additional links... Since I seemed to have been employed by the divine for healing(I was before and am still a meditation teacher), we (my husband and I) had the idea to ask the Divine for extra-professonal relationships, so to speak, and then the light sessions, started, sessions where the Divine interacts through exercice and plays, and where one experiences more the cosmic nature of the cells, our own Divinity etc. Those light sessions are very beautiful, so we now share them with some people I heal or friends.

: It sounds very beautiful. What happens in the Light sessions? What do you do?
We close the eyes. There is just silence for sometimes and then something starts to happen. Light flowing in from the top of the head, or some divine Being manifesting himself in my heart (oftenJesus, or an aspect of the Mother Divine, who is in the same time as a Woman-Child, of tender white light, and Kali the powerfull...)Then I feel like speaking out what happens inside of me, may be it is the heart voice speaking?(Is the One a correct heart voice name? the voice seems neutral, though infinitely soft and clear) the impulse to speak is different from normal, it does not come from the mind, it happens spontaneously. It is as if a journey into light is given for us, starting from the heart, with often pauses where we are invited to rest into the heart. Often people report that they see happen inside of them just before I speak precisely what I say. Others say that what I say guide them in an inner journey. For me it is extremely beautiful. A real gift. Very powerful light in the body, body completely open into infinity, the whole of creation in the body, celss vibrant with light and power, union with the Divine, Being the Divine... For the other people the experience varies from very celestial and deep experiences for some, and deep feeling of relaxation and physical being for others. Usually everyone deeply enjoys. It is not presented as something serious, more as a game within divinity. Sometimes there are spontaneous healing phenomenas, I mean people get pain, physical sensations, and sick people reporting feeling much beter the next day. Each session is always different, I never know what will happen, sometimes very soft energy, other times very bursting power, but is always extremely blissfull.

: : : : With much love and gratiude
: : : : We do plan to come and visit you. May be next year, but we do set the wish in our heart and offer it to the Divine...
: : : : DeviRam

: If you like you can import me. I like to travel now and then, and I have not been to the Netherlands in a long time.
Import you?? The thought feels so nice I had to run to my husband outside to tell him... How can one import you? What does it take to import you? You could come to Holland and also to France (I am french)We have lots of friends there interested in awakeening who would love to meet you I think... Would you give lectures? Hold seminars? My schedule is as it is quite overflowing, but still the idea to import you is indeed charming... mainly that I had several felt may be you would come to Europe...
: Blessings...

Mystress · May 14, 2002, 04:29:42 PM

: : : : : Hello, Mystress,
: : : :
: : : : Hello, Devi.

: I must have missed on something, cuz I don't know what you call the bubble spell?

The spell to protect computers and other electronics from being zapped by Shakti.. maybe you did not get to that lesson yet...

: : It sounds very beautiful. What happens in the Light sessions? What do you do?
: We close the eyes. There is just silence for sometimes and then something starts to happen. Light flowing in from the top of the head, or some divine Being manifesting himself in my heart (oftenJesus, or an aspect of the Mother Divine, who is in the same time as a Woman-Child, of tender white light, and Kali the powerfull...)Then I feel like speaking out what happens inside of me, may be it is the heart voice speaking?(Is the One a correct heart voice name?

Correct...? LOL!! Any entity can take any name... depends on how you feel when you hear it... but the One is a good name, the heart chakra is where empathy comes from... the whole unoverse is in your heart and through the heart you are one with that.

:the voice seems neutral, though infinitely soft and clear)

Yes!

: the impulse to speak is different from normal, it does not come from the mind, it happens spontaneously. It is as if a journey into light is given for us, starting from the heart, with often pauses where we are invited to rest into the heart. Often people report that they see happen inside of them just before I speak precisely what I say. Others say that what I say guide them in an inner journey. For me it is extremely beautiful. A real gift. Very powerful light in the body, body completely open into infinity, the whole of creation in the body, celss vibrant with light and power, union with the Divine, Being the Divine... For the other people the experience varies from very celestial and deep experiences for some, and deep feeling of relaxation and physical being for others. Usually everyone deeply enjoys. It is not presented as something serious, more as a game within divinity. Sometimes there are spontaneous healing phenomenas, I mean people get pain, physical sensations, and sick people reporting feeling much beter the next day. Each session is always different, I never know what will happen, sometimes very soft energy, other times very bursting power, but is always extremely blissfull.

: : : : : With much love and gratiude
: : : : : We do plan to come and visit you. May be next year, but we do set the wish in our heart and offer it to the Divine...
: : : : : DeviRam

: : If you like you can import me. I like to travel now and then, and I have not been to the Netherlands in a long time.

: Import you?? The thought feels so nice I had to run to my husband outside to tell him... How can one import you? What does it take to import you? You could come to Holland and also to France (I am french)We have lots of friends there interested in awakeening who would love to meet you I think... Would you give lectures? Hold seminars? My schedule is as it is quite overflowing, but still the idea to import you is indeed charming... mainly that I had several felt may be you would come to Europe...

That would be fabulous... a dream come true!! But let us see what Goddess has in mind. Thanks! Blessings...