Questions on throat chakra, third eye and crown chakra

[2getherAgain]

I was watching the video on chakras and the part you said,


1. "as you get accustomed to manifesting or channeling the inner voice or speaking to others and giving them inner wisdom, inner wisdom is only perfect for you, so be careful or you can start a holy war."

can someone help me understand if it means that one's inner wisdom is only  good for that person and does not apply to another? or if someone can help explain what that means? i don't want to be sharing my wisdom if it's not universal truth and only applies to my life/experiences


2. third eye, you mention that there's no time, distance, or dimension limitations and the light goes on after your third eye is open. So is someone who has their third eye open able to check on what you're doing anytime etc? with or without your permission?

3. the video mention that through the crown chakra, you can send your mind into the chair and experience what it's like when the wood was a tree. is it then possible that someone who has their crown chakra fully open able to go into your mind/thoughts and control what you think/say and even what you are afraid of weakness etc and possibly use it to intimidate you etc? or whatever they want to do with that ability?

any clarification is appreciated..thank you !

Still fairly new to this site so hopefully this is where and how i post my questions. Please advise if it's not.

[Gopi]

"can someone help me understand if it means that one's inner wisdom is only  good for that person and does not apply to another?"
As Mystress has said:  "...the Inner Voice's wisdom is really only perfect for you"
Every person has unique life experiences.
You have to eat based on how hungry you feel and wear shoes that fit your feet.
If you start telling others how much they should eat or what they should eat based on how hungry you are, then others will have indigestion or remain hungry.
The guidance you get from your Inner Voice is a customized advice for you.

Sharing our growth experience with others is useful but assuming that you have the answer for someone else's spiritual quest is just ego trick.
We are all growing and we all can learn from each other.
You will not find claims like 'universal truth' in FST lessons but only suggestions to check your own discernment.
Have you  heard of the story about the blind men and elephant?
It's an old story from India - https://americanliterature.com/author/james-baldwin/short-story/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant

"So is someone who has their third eye open able to check on what you're doing anytime etc? with or without your permission?"

It is not like you will have a spy-cam on others when your third eye is open.
Doesn't work like that.
Free will is Goddess law and She respects every individual, saint or sinner.

"is it then possible that someone who has their crown chakra fully open able to go into your mind/thoughts and control what you think/say and even what you are afraid of weakness etc and possibly use it to intimidate you etc? or whatever they want to do with that ability?"

May be consider revisiting lesson #1 again?
The Crown Chakra is called '1000 petaled lotus' because learning happens throughout your life just like the blossoming petals of a lotus flower.
So fully open Crown Chakra does not mean you know everything.
When you are grounded, open crown simply means you remain open minded with curiosity and without paranoid fear.
The lower chakras (root, second, and power) typically have individual ego consciousness.
As Kundalini rises through upper chakras (heart, throat, third eye, and crown), there is less individual identity and more of relational consciousness - you feel that you are a part of something bigger than you.
So what happens if someone tries to control, manipulate, or intimidate others?
Short answer: you get your ass kicked.
Kundalini psychosis is not fun and you can get stuck in karmic loops your entire life if you act based on ego.

As Mystress has written: "People who seek awakening because they want power, give me a mental cartoon image of Wile E. Coyote and the ACME steamroller of unconditional love. As soon as you see him messing with it, you know he will end up squashed. Rolled out flat like a pie crust. that's his karma.
Don't seek Kundalini awakening unless you are genuinely ready to turn your life over to the path of your Soul..."

"Still fairly new to this site so hopefully this is where and how i post my questions. "
Keep your posts in the same thread.
This is fine.

Namaste!
Gopi

[2getherAgain]

Thanks for your responses Gopi! Not my intention to get awakening for power..more for understanding as it seems i got put on this path and not sure what is happening to me and how others who are more knowledgeable in this area can take advantage of someone who's not so knowledeable. Good to know that Kundalini energy will keep whoever in check when it's misuse.

[Priestesssss]

"is it then possible that someone who has their crown chakra fully open able to go into your mind/thoughts and control what you think/say and even what you are afraid of weakness etc and possibly use it to intimidate you etc? or whatever they want to do with that ability?

Trust your DB. It's possible you may be meeting your Shadow Self, so ground and use your discernment. Life is a mirror so 'other' doesn't have power over you, as you describe, unless you give it.

[Mystress]

I have been absent lately, trying to save the world. So appreciate the FST Lineage picking up the slack and Priestessss is in my Tribe since before FST was written. Awesome to have amazing support.

  Sorry to have to contradict you a little bit, but I have some private info of where these questions are coming from.

  1. They are right, the heart chakra is very personal. There are situations. like selfless listening where you can ask the heart for words to share with another, it is very intimate to do so.
  Consider that statements like that, have layers of meaning. The heart chakra, has been reported to tell people that they are Christ. Some of these take it to mean they are the second coming messiah and go all WACO starting armageddon cults. The heart chakra is considered the seat of the christ consciousness, compassion. That is what it means, we all have it. So the statement has a bit safety effect against psychosis.
  Different religions have different centres. Christianity is heart centered but the heart knows no boundaries, it has the entire universe inside it. Without the balance of the power chakra you get forced conversions.  So it is we who have to recognize that there are boundaries and accept heart chakra advice can and often is personal not universal. Situational, even. Ask your heart or discernment what to have for lunch, you won't get the same answer every day or the same as those you are dining with.

  One thing you should know is FST is not healer training. The focus is "Change the world by changing inside of yourself" and you have already gotten a taste of how good that feels. Lots of people out there calling themselves healers and guides who have not gotten over their own issues and all they do is entangle people by projecting that shadow. I think the shadow section is going to be hard for you, because you have pushed quite a lot into shadow for the sake of appearing compliant in a patriarchal place. The lessons prepare you to be ready to surf on it.

  2, Yes and no. The right to privacy is a cosmic law.  I used to play a game to fall asleep, in my crib. Shaman training starts that early. There was a beautiful golden glow I could see when I closed my eyes. The game was, to try to calm my thoughts enough to make it a smooth even brightness because any fearful thought would introduce black cracks and sometimes shatter it altogether, very disheartening. I was a stressed kid in a pretty dysfunctional family so attaining the perfect glow was a rare millisecond. I did not know the glow was my third eye but as an infant I knew, fear shuts it down.  So the whole third eye stalker thing really doesn't fly.

3. Same thing, fear based motive closes the crown chakra.

  So you are wondering, how do they do it? Through proxies. Old time shamans would trap nature spirits, faeries and devas, impress their will upon them, which gives them an ego they are not meant to have and drives them insane believing they are slave to the magician. The dramatic magician will claim to have enslaved demons or done deals, there is also bargaining. Mutually favourable arrangements or ones that only appear so, until you follow the advice, right off a cliff.


 

[2getherAgain]

wow! thank you Priestess for responding and Mystress for that very detail response.

Just FYI, so you have a better understanding why i sometimes will ask questions about FST videos (thanks for your patience as i will continue to do so). I have had some training for many years that uses very similar teaching to FST material, but the only explanation i would get would be "it's cleansing" for the past 15 years. So I ask these clarification questions as i have been taught that the heart speaks universal truth and knows the truth. So what truth is for one, is truth for all (different than what is shared here).


" I think the shadow section is going to be hard for you, because you have pushed quite a lot into shadow for the sake of appearing compliant in a patriarchal place. The lessons prepare you to be ready to surf on it."

Yes, i feel this will be my biggest challenge also as I was never inform about the "shadow" but has been taught that it is our "naughty parts" that shouldn't be followed. Praying already that it won't be too painful.


"2... any fearful thought would introduce black cracks and sometimes shatter it altogether, very disheartening. I was a stressed kid in a pretty dysfunctional family so attaining the perfect glow was a rare millisecond. I did not know the glow was my third eye but as an infant I knew, fear shuts it down.  So the whole third eye stalker thing really doesn't fly."

this line of "fear" shutting it down.. i say this on this site more so for myself and others as I feel the "fear of turning my back against the will of the DB...was something that was dangled as my carrot" for many years and probably created some bad conditioning that tie me to my "master" who was supposedly the DB. Grounding has definitely help me to feel that solid, safe support and not worry about "turning my back, etc." i don't know why i m putting this out there, but for myself and maybe others who had others use "fear" to entrap others..or if anyone wants to share how they might have gotten out of this. FST has shared that you want to face your fears, laugh at it..and even study it as it consumes you...lol..and i guess by me leaving group, it's a form of facing my fears?

"3. Old time shamans would trap nature spirits, faeries and devas, impress their will upon them, which gives them an ego they are not meant to have and drives them insane believing they are slave to the magician. The dramatic magician will claim to have enslaved demons or done deals, there is also bargaining. Mutually favourable arrangements or ones that only appear so, until you follow the advice, right off a cliff."


This answer is giving me a bit of a shock moment. Is it possible that the same can be said of someone (shaman or not) can "trap" another person's "power chakra" drive them insane, and keep them in this "enslavement" situation. Sorry, if this sounds like i am repeating myself. In hindsight, it seems like if someone can instill enough fear in another, then they can allow their target to be "fearful" of them and "impress upon them an ego."

I say this because for the longest time, i have been feeling trapped, and enslave and feel release from it ever since i read about the power chakra. If i had allow this person to instill the fear in me, i own it, and want to be aware of it and not become a victim of it anymore.

[Gopi]

" the "fear of turning my back against the will of the DB...was something that was dangled as my carrot" for many years and probably created some bad conditioning that tie me to my "master" who was supposedly the DB."

In case this is not clear yet, I want to explicitly emphasize - DB is NOT outside of you.
A Master is one who has mastered self and it has nothing to do with others.
If someone is entrapping others through fear, they are not a Master no matter what they call themselves.
The way to keep people enslaved is to instill fear.
Once you create fear in someone, then you can make them do anything you want by scaring them about their 'problems' AND promising them a 'solution' that only you can give.
It's a business model that works across all areas - health, politics, trade, spirituality, food, dictatorships, etc.
You reap what you sow - if you run a fear-based scheme, you get all the paranoia.

"for myself and maybe others who had others use "fear" to entrap others..or if anyone wants to share how they might have gotten out of this. FST has shared that you want to face your fears, laugh at it..and even study it as it consumes you...lol..and i guess by me leaving group, it's a form of facing my fears?"

The truth is you give power over to others.
Entrapping will ONLY work if you take the bait.
The bait is your fear.
When you get over your own fear, nobody can use that fear anymore to exploit you.
You leaving a group that you felt was not good for you - YES, that is you taking your own power back.

One of the difficult lessons for me while I started doing FST was accepting how powerful I really am.
When you fully acknowledge your own power, you see that both good and bad in your life is created by you.
This does not mean other people cannot do any harm.
But it is very important to realize that what you focus on will grow.
If you feed your fears, they will grow.
If you feed your dreams, they will grow.
The choice is always yours.

Many times we choose fear because it is familiar to us.
Several people stay in abusive relationships because the idea of finding another person scares them more.
Fear of the unknown can push us back into unhealthy patterns even though we may know better rationally.

Our own fears can teach us a lot about ourselves.
So it is very useful for self-growth to understand our own fears.
Many times we imagine facing our fears means we should not be afraid.
This is not true.
Being courageous means you do what you want/have to do even though you may be terrified.
Look at your fears.
Notice your breath when you feel fear.
Slowly scan your body from head to toes and see where you are holding tension.
Ground and give it all to Goddess.

It feels like you are already on your way, breaking old fear based patterns, and taking charge of your own life.
Good for you!
If you are looking for practical tips about how to deal with fear and anxiety, I have found Harriet Lerner's book 'The Dance of Fear' very helpful and will recommend it.

Namaste!

[2getherAgain]

Thank so so very much, Gopi for breaking it down so much. Sadly, but true, i do need to have it spell out like that i will try to read that book. Another hurdle for me is actually reading as a result of all this. But yes, i do feel like im getting stronger as i m taking my power back..

[Mystress]

2getherAgain wrote: our "naughty parts" that shouldn't be followed.

 The shadow contains good qualities you deny about yourself too.
 
i say this on this site more so for myself and others ( ... ) i don't know why i m putting this out there, but for myself and maybe others

No. You are not a teacher here. Do not assume to know what others need. This path is inward, it is about you. Did others ask you to teach them, speak or act for them? No, they did not, so stop projecting need onto others to have an excuse to do what you want to do.

  I keep getting the persistent impression you are not here for yourself so much as for your career, like you are taking this in, for the sake of "others,"  with a goal of teaching it your self.  That would be bad, it is mine and you are not one of my FST Lineage.

  I do not project *anyone* as being in need of me. Why would I do that? It is unkind, manipulative and bad karma. I project Namaste, that everyone is God of their own life. That is empowering.  People who do not like to take responsibility for themselves might not like it but it is true anyway.  Try more namaste and less 'needy ass tea.'

  Did you notice my preview pages do not have any sales pitch? There are no promises except access and some support. I do not project fear or tell anyone what they need. Just explain, what FST is. Take it or leave it.  If people ask me if they should take it, (because people love to give power away to avoid taking responsibility for themselves)  I tell them it is not for me to decide and to ask their heart. All my lineage are trained to do the same, to not play God for other people by making decisions for them, even if they ask. We do not play those kinds of control power games, out of respect for their free will and Goddess' law.

 If we did, some of the karma triggered by the course would land on us instead of flowing back to the student to resolve for themselves and be empowered. Play God for people, their karma flows to you, that is the guru gig. We persistently direct them back to their inner Guru, the will of their heart.  

If i had allow this person to instill the fear in me, i own it, and want to be aware of it and not become a victim of it anymore.

If you let someone else be God for you then yes, you are giving all of your power away for them to do as they please. If they are a bad god and teach fear instead of love, well then that is on you, for looking for the Divine in another instead of your own self. Why did you value yourself so little that you would give yourself away for a promise?

 Every time you give power away to belief in victimhood, you are dis-empowering your own self. Free will is Goddess law. You have to own your choices, it is good you are coming to realize that.

 Every sales pitch in the world, is rooted in some fear. Project fear and need to sell the product that claims to resolve the issue.

 Like you were doing, projecting that others need you to ask me the questions. Why, do you think they might be scared to ask for themselves? Because I am a terrible tyrant? Do you see the picture that paints? It does not look good on anyone, except you,  to pretend to play hero savior to benefit others, so why did you do that? Ego? Shadow? Both? They are two sides of one divided.

 Putting everybody else in a negative view to make yourself look better is awfully manipulative behavior.

 You say "i don't know why i..."  lol. Well, I do, it is shadow stuff, you are being subconsciously ruled by what you deny about yourself. Claiming innocence, playing dumb plays to your ego. Look at this picture of wide eyed innocence:  "i don't know why (i did this awful thing of projecting fear and need onto other students and tyranny onto the teacher.)   I do, it is how you roll.  I am sure this sort of passive-aggressive behavior has served you very well, in the past.  

  You are a puppet of your karma and mincing words won't help you see the truth of it. Do not interpret my direct speech as evidence of anger, as an excuse to discount my words. I am not upset.

 I figured out you are a deeply manipulative person well before this, by how hard and persistently you were sucking up to me, LMAO. I do not have a male ego, that needs to be stroked every few minutes, or much of any other kind of ego so trying to manipulate an ego that does not exist, really falls flat. A teacher who could be manipulated so easily would be useless. You have found a teacher who cannot be manipulated, sees through your BS and tells you the truth even if doing so makes me look like a hard ass bitch. I think you already figured out, you are better off for it,  is a win.

  Compliments are pleasant, testimonials are useful, but flattery is manipulative.  An effort to please me so I will be nice and give you attention, was the shadow of it.  What really scared you is that it failed. Trauma wants control, when efforts to control fail, there is fear, feeling unsafe. You are perfectly safe here.

 Now you will feel slighted and think, never to compliment me again... that is just more passive aggression. Your feeling of being grateful to be here is genuine, I get that. Your motive in sharing those feelings, casts a shadow.  

  I know you are not aware of how manipulative you are, it is all pushed into shadow where it rules you. I am not judging you for that, it is a common thing for women in patriarchy to hide their manipulations and disloyalties even from themselves, to not get caught. Pushing manipulative behaviors into the shadow,  offers plausible deniability... but the Lords of Karma are not fooled, and  I won't put up with it either.  I will call you on it, so you can find the issues in your own self and be empowered by owning them.  That is my job. No malice.  

The world of advertising seeks to scare you out of your money.  Why do I buy whitening toothpaste? Fear of social embarrassment? Exactly what the advertising talks about. Delighted that colgate ultrabright three kinds of toxins in your mouth toothpaste is doing a good job on the smoke stains too, even though it is so awful I only use it in the shower so I can rinse my mouth with the hand held shower head for several minutes after.  Flouride, sucralose and peroxide with mint so strong it burns. Yikes. Works too.

 Oh no, he used fear to manipulate you.    

Wake up and smell the coffee, buttercup! He made his pitch, you made your choices.  The choice whether to continue to be victimized is up to you. Will you continue to give power away to the belief that he can still harm you? Your guardian angel is an amazing bodyguard, if you ask for protection.  Eventually you do have to face the fear but retreating to heal is self care.

  What sales pitch was so tasty that you gave your whole self away to it? What did you think you would get, that Goddess won't provide?  

 What sales pitch did you use to persuade so many others to join the cult? Had to have been fear based or it would not have been so successful. Persuasion is a power game, it seeks to control the choices of someone else, it does not respect free will. So if others are harmed by following your directions, that karma is on you too. You were playing God for them, being persuasive.  

 Power, karma and responsibility are intertwined, they follow each other. Steal power by taking responsibility for the decisions of others, be God for them and the karma of their result lands on you. The more your energy body is plugged up with other folks karma the more disempowered you become.

 Can you see why cult leaders and gurus go insane or get sick and die?
Gopi asked why you started a new thread instead of adding to your blog posts. Easy to answer, you felt your blog posts were not getting enough attention. So you thought to manipulate attention with a new thread. Congrats, it worked... but it cost you. People do not like being manipulated.

 Your special homework this week: every advertisement you see, identify what fear it is claiming to resolve.  The only things that do not need to advertise, are base essentials everybody needs, like water, or doctors, and extravagant luxuries nobody really needs, like a Rolls Royce. Special bottled water from a unique special aquifer in France needs a lot of advertising.

 The second assignment is to find the movie "Scorchers" with Faye Dunaway and watch it repeatedly until you mature as a woman. Not joking. Enough with giving power away to the father figures then blaming them for how you feel.  Ask your guidance, how old you were when the process of emotional maturation, stopped for you.

 The third,  is to read the top thread of the Tenement board. I suspect your power chakra issues predate your cult involvement. Not my job to tell people who they are, like that. Figuring it out is your responsibility and your empowerment.

In hindsight, it seems like if someone can instill enough fear in another, then they can allow their target to be "fearful" of them and "impress upon them an ego."

No, people already have an ego. Faeries do not have one, they are in unity with the Earth and Goddess will for them. Makes them go insane,  to have an ego. To erase a human ego and make a new one requires the victim's co-operation.  Ego death rituals are popular with cults for the brainwashing.  Ever met a "born again" Christian? Try to get them to talk about anything but Jesus... the original well rounded ego identity is gone, killed off by ritual and now there is only the duckling effect of the new ego. Since half of personality is genetic, nature not nurture, eventually the inborn personality starts to reassert itself... why there are so many ex-born again (and no longer) Christians.

  The thing about people who use fear to control others, is how it weakens them, makes them vulnerable. The karma they take on makes it impossible to really attain,  and anybody with a more compassionate motive can kick their ass. They have to lean on spirit friends to do the magic and spirit friends who are not Goddess, are flimsy. Insane faerie slaves can be very powerful, they can teleport objects, be omniscient, travel in time and space etc. but if you beat their master they become yours because they think they are property, spoils of war.  I have kicked the asses of a few bad, long dead shamans... their bent faerie slaves show up after and I have to grab them and heal them quick and set them free, before they have a chance to go off doing the same bullshit as their dead master wanted, in my name. There is a lot of power in giving power back. Much more, than in taking it.
 
 Taking power over others is negative, weakening. Acting to set people free from power games and restore their free will or sanity, is blessed.

 A few weeks ago, someone on facebook told me about a bad situation he is in, with a guy I knew, from before FST was written. Apparently thus guy's greed and ego has gone way over the top, he is claiming to be God and predicting armageddon. FFS! Why is it always men who pull that shit?

  So I tuned in and took a look at the mess. First thing I noticed was implants in the heart chakra, like a wifi speaker. It blocked the genuine heart voice and replaced it with the guy's voice. That pissed me off.  Grabbed the dead thing he was using for a guide, interrogated it, forced it to pull all the heart implants and any others. The dead thing said the living guy didn't know about the implants... they were used to flatter him, feed his ego.  I ate the dead thing.  Put one of my vamp's quantum guides on the task of pulling trauma and what ever other implants from the followers, with the vamp's consent.

 Got together with one of my shamans, we ate the dead thing's dead buddies (staff) and then healed all the brainwashed faeries.. always fun.  Got back to the vamp, he was getting bits of the terror and despair of the followers and mentioned he had been feeling watched for the first two days then the feeling went away... because we ate the things doing it.

 Then, for good measure, I walked into the guys dream, put him over my knee and spanked his bare ass hard while berating him for doing really shitty things because of being such a greedy asshole. Impossible to know what he experienced of that. It was as Goddess wills.

 The problem with cult leaders who play God is their tendency to pass out the poison punch when their empire is threatened. I would prefer to think he has not fallen that far. I had assumed his greed was because of coming from a poor country, and overlooked it but no its quite embedded.  The spirits he was using are all gone and my guide is watching to make sure they stay gone. The followers are losing the control implants and being healed of trauma... they will likely snap out of it and quietly wander off although suing his ass would be fair penance for what his greed did to them.

 There is a hell, of sorts. People who have not learned it is wrong to hurt people end up in eternal solitary confinement in an infinite foggy wilderness with no animals, no insects, plants that may as well be fake because they never change or grow. An overcast sky with light but no sun, and a misty fog that blocks distance vision. Time passes very quickly there, a decade in a few days. The confinement is not eternal because at some point the spirit just stops, shuts down, turns catatonic from sheer loneliness and slowly frays away into the wind like they are made of sand until they are simply, gone.

  Those who do not play well with others, in life, get no others to play with, in death. Saddest thing I have ever seen. Christian hellfire would be a mercy by comparison, at least there would be others to talk to.

 I am pretty sure, they do it to themselves. Goddess does not judge.  I think during the life review, when all the pain they caused others is flooding back to them with perfect empathy they can't handle it, refuse responsibility and try to bail partway through. Since the life review is in a nearly non-dual place, and those are very binary... they go from unity with all, to the opposite. Total isolation from which there is no escape.

 That is why you cannot call up the ghost of Hitler, or Mother Theresa. Why Houdini never got the message out to his widow despite decades of halloween seances. They are gone.  Suicides fail, unless innocent by reason of insanity (depression) or to escape late stage illness, chronic pain.

   I believe there is room for redemption. I think, people can hang on through the harsh parts of a life review, accepting the penance as earned, if they know that better empathy feelings will come after.  Unrepentant sociopaths, will reject the responsibility  demonstrated by the empathy, and there are no second chances for them.

[2getherAgain]

Before i start my response, i just want to say i can feel the "smacking" but i am also very appreciative of the insights that is being given here to help me grow. So, I am responding because how do you know what you don't know unless you discuss it. Being that this is a "safe" place to talk about spirituality.

  I have a friend who always don't believe how i could not understand men/the world etc. and i always wonder why am i like this also. SO, i think this might be the missing gold nugget i need to find.

I am sensing that in this message, you are trying to help me understand about my shadow shelf. So i am going to make the most out of it


Mystress said: "No. You are not a teacher here. Do not assume to know what others need. This path is inward, it is about you. Did others ask you to teach them, speak or act for them? No, they did not, so stop projecting need onto others to have an excuse to do what you want to do."

Thanks for clarifying that.  I will keep such insights to myself. (is that my shadow self?)


Mystress said: " I keep getting the persistent impression you are not here for yourself so much as for your career, like you are taking this in, for the sake of "others,"  with a goal of teaching it your self.  That would be bad, it is mine and you are not one of my FST Lineage."

I'll try to keep this short, it has always been in me since i was 6 years old or so to be on this earth to help others. I was even guided at that age to not have kids and to focus on my "spritual role, and help others." Thus, why you probably feel i am not just doing this for myself.

I took a brain course shortly after i left the group to work on my brain and get it working again. Needless to say, i was in such terrible shape mentally that i couldn't read a book among other brain skills (whereas i use to enjoy reading before joining) the program taught me that the best way to learn something is to be able to teach it, because you will need to understand it so well that you can teach it. Can't teach something you don't understand. Also, i don't really have any other purpose that i am focus on other for the Divine Beloved Will.. so if it means i should just focus on my food, shelter, pay my bills.. i am fine with that too, so much better than the trauma i been through. But right now, i m focusing on getting grounded and taking back what i have given up without realizing what i was doing because i didn't have the brain knowledge of power chakras.

I have no intentions (at least none i am consciously aware--or is that my shadow self?) of taking your FST material. Your material is SUPER insightful given what i been through. I have shared it in conversations with some of my friends who have been through something similar to what i have or is supporting me through this transition process. It also helps me to digest the material, because i feel part of the side effects of what happen to my brain is it can't "absorb" material unless i speak it out loud (this was not the case before, i use to be pretty independent and keep think without speaking out).

Mystress said:    I do not project *anyone* as being in need of me. Why would I do that? It is unkind, manipulative and bad karma. I project Namaste, that everyone is God of their own life. That is empowering.  People who do not like to take responsibility for themselves might not like it but it is true anyway.  Try more namaste and less 'needy ass tea.'

I keep complimenting you because Goddess/via you have helped me immensely in getting grounded again and my heart just feels so grateful and joyful. I felt safe with your "material" but not in writing publicly like this..but i felt to do so because i wanted to let others know it really works and to encourage them to do the grounding etc. Maybe i went about it wrong.  (is that my shadow self? trying to be helpful again)? Maybe i don't need to publicly thank you because Goddess would know and you would know already? and me doing it publicly is my shadow self trying to get attention?? I am writing this because if it is my shadow self, i want to recognize it. Every time i write publicly here, i hesitated and get "scared" of what is to come back. But i also not want to be afraid of your response because i can feel you don't have ulterior motives/motivations etc which i  know many have. So..thank you I also want to understand about my shadow self..even if it means getting "smack" so that's why i m responding.

Mystress said: " If we did, some of the karma triggered by the course would land on us instead of flowing back to the student to resolve for themselves and be empowered. Play God for people, their karma flows to you, that is the guru gig. We persistently direct them back to their inner Guru, the will of their heart.  "

I had a sense this was happening, which is part of why i left. I won't go into details but i  want to say that maybe my shadow self wants to be "helpful" so it was used against me for me to give up my power to another?  I am stating that here, because you just confirm what i had felt...and also ..is that my shadow self? wanting to "help."


Mystress said: "Like you were doing, projecting that others need you to ask me the questions. Why, do you think they might be scared to ask for themselves? Because I am a terrible tyrant? Do you see the picture that paints? It does not look good on anyone, except you,  to pretend to play hero savior to benefit others, so why did you do that? Ego? Shadow? Both? They are two sides of one divided."

I THINK i am getting a glimpse of my shadow self. So i did that because i was assuming posting in public is because what i personally might have questions with, maybe is also because others might be wondering the same thing. But in me "thinking that" that is my shadow self? projecting what i think on to others? and taking some kind of "credit/recognition/savior" role is my shadow self? so even though i think i m being helpful..it's my shadow self?

Mystress said, "Putting everybody else in a negative view to make yourself look better is awfully manipulative behavior."

I was truly wanting clarity just like i m now about my shadow self. So is that part of me that took the initiative to step up and asking/commenting..my shadow self? even though the intention was to get clarity, it did make me "stand out." is that the shadow self?

Mystress said: "  You say "i don't know why i..."  lol. Well, I do, it is shadow stuff, you are being subconsciously ruled by what you deny about yourself. Claiming innocence, playing dumb plays to your ego. Look at this picture of wide eyed innocence:  "i don't know why (i did this awful thing of projecting fear and need onto other students and tyranny onto the teacher.)  ....  "

So this is huge for me..i wrote it out because (subconsciously i guess) i really did want you to comment on it, to get to the bottom of this about me. Guess that's why i wrote it. Now that you have spell it, out..thank you, Goddess This person writing this right now is not consciously aware of that "passive aggressive" behavior..  so other than doing grounding..and Goddess..please take this as a gift..it is yours..it does not serve me to be manipulative and pretend to be innocent about it..Thank You Goddess for accepting it... is that all?

will definitely make more of an effort to be aware of it..which is the reason for this response.

Mystress wrote: "   You are a puppet of your karma and mincing words won't help you see the truth of it. Do not interpret my direct speech as evidence of anger, as an excuse to discount my words. I am not upset."

Thank you for stating that and i don't want mince words. I just hesitate in writing because i feel i write so much and take up so much of everyone's time. Being that the shadow lesson is so foreign to me, i want to capitalize on this session for my brain knowledge and email and lay it to rest. I want to understand what you are saying since this is huge for me.

Mystress wrote "I figured out you are a deeply manipulative person well before this, by how hard and persistently you were sucking up to me...."

This message is super confusing me, but i guess that would be my shadow self (you did acknowledge i was not aware of it)?? Your material has helped me tremendously..and i was always taught to be grateful. I use to not voice it, but i have learn that people appreciate hearing it (kind of like how people socialize). So, just so i can understand my shadow self better, is it me thanking you? giving you acknowledgement? recognizing the time and effort you put in this that has help so many others without getting paid for it? is that the shadow self?  since dealing more with "human ego" i notice that is what they do. Just checking, because i m confuse ( also i won't do it anymore as it is something i had to learn). Or is that my shadow self again being "confuse?" or is it that i secretly thought that your ego would like to be recognize so i give the compliment, and that is my shadow self? but you say it fail because you don't care for the acknowledgment and compliments?In typing this, a part of me is aware that i disconnect myself to that part of me?? not sure if i m making that up or I am really getting it. It feels like it is below my heart chakra area? it be nice to know if i m doing such things! and in saying that, is that ok to do it? or that's not good? or Goddess doesn't judge so feel free to manipulate just as long as you know you're doing it and take responsibility for your action?

Mystress wrote:  "I know you are not aware of how manipulative you are, it is all pushed into shadow where it rules you. I am not judging you for that, it is a common thing for women in patriarchy to hide their manipulations and disloyalties even from themselves, to not get caught. Pushing manipulative behaviors into the shadow,  offers plausible deniability... but the Lords of Karma are not fooled, and  I won't put up with it either.  I will call you on it, so you can find the issues in your own self and be empowered by owning them.  That is my job. No malice. "


I am well aware that posting in public i am making myself vulnerable etc, and i do appreciate it. However, painful that may be. I wasn't aware of it, which is why this post is so long because i would like to be aware of it and do something about it. Your tough love approach is tough, but i do appreciate the honesty and guidance and calling me on it.

Mystress wrote:" Gopi asked why you started a new thread instead of adding to your blog posts. Easy to answer, you felt your blog posts were not getting enough attention. So you thought to manipulate attention with a new thread. Congrats, it worked... but it cost you. People do not like being manipulated."

I was under the impression that this site was for Q&A and the blog was more for your personal thoughts out loud. Like a story you tell about your journey.  I am happy to go back to the blog for all my postings since it's now clarify i should keep it together.

Btw, you keep mentioning i like the attention. This person writing this literally doesn't not want to bring any attention to these thread but just wants answer/clarification/insights etc. Not attention..or is that my shadow self wanting attention? because it would then seem this shadow self is something very disconnected from me at least on a conscious level). My life has practically been in isolation, with the exception of when i was teaching. Glad to finally shed some light on this "shadow." I rather not even blog, but just thought it was a good way to show my appreciation for how much the material has help me. Is that my shadow self again?

Thank you for sharing that extra insights at the end of your message. That's really helpful to undo some of the "fear." work.

Since you shared about heart implants etc, just thought i mention that the previous teacher enter my dream about 1 week ago and it seems like there was something going on and i gave consent to something. When i woke up, (i don't know what i consented to in my dream) i pray to Goddess to undo whatever it was, as i was not consciously aware..all this stuff that goes on behind the scene is so new to me..(at least consciously).


Will work on the assignments you gave me.



Edited by Mystress to clean up the quoting

[Mystress]

So, I am responding because

  You do not need a reason to respond. I am not trying to silence you.

Thanks for clarifying that.  I will keep such insights to myself.

Heh, what we say to  2getherAgain, and what she hears, filtered through the shadow. Feels criticized, plays take my ball and go home.  Ever see that far side cartoon? What we say to dogs, and what they hear? Human communication can like that too.

  I did not ask you not to share insights, I asked you not to try to speak on behalf of others or act on what you think they need. Not to play teacher. The insights you get, are for you. It is ok to share them, there are blog places to share about your growing and experiences.

  It is not your role and a projection to teach this class or decide what other students need.

it has always been in me since i was 6 years old or so to be on this earth to help others

  No. That identification of your specialness as helper is ego and you need to let it go. ASAP. Ditch it.
 
  1.  The hero identification projects "needs my help" onto everybody else, so you can use them for what you think is your purpose.  So it is actually self serving and kind of offensive, projecting neediness is a power game.

  2. It is universal, not unique to you. What we know of the purpose of life, from studies of near death experiences, you get a life review and then are asked "how well did you love?" and you answer that for yourself. So we can conclude that the purpose of life, is to learn to love better. Helping others is a common expression of love and compassion, so we can conclude that EVERYBODY is here to help others. That is not our only purpose, or expression of love. How well we love ourselves matters too. 

  You are not the special hero. Let it go and get over it, it has messed up your life.  Spend some time thinking about the times when this belief has trapped you, how it has affected your decision making since age 6. All the times you gave yourself away to what you felt other people needed, because you thought you had no choice but to fulfill this belief of a divine imperative to put the needs of others before your own.

  Age 5-6, we learn the kindergarden rules eh? To share, be nice to each other, etc. Stage of maturation of the child ego identity when it moves past being the center of its own universe and begins to learn social skills, to be considerate of others. To care, to share, to be helpful and kind.

Patriarchy trains women to be self sacrificing, that the only value of the fem is what she can give. That her own needs and desires are not important, but must be suppressed in favour of obedient slavery and martyrdom. Little girls internalize this message, which is clearly bullshit. Human beings are inherently self serving, and with good purpose: you have to take care of your self first, before you can care for others. Otherwise you have nothing to give, or you burn out from self sacrifice.

    What happens is the self serving needs get pushed into shadow. Shadow is protective, it finds a way to say no, for you. It hides the self serving needs and makes sure they get met anyway. Self sabotage, "accidents" that are passive aggression. Ego gets to have cake and eat it. Maintain its idea of innocence while the shadow does the dirty work.

  You internalized a message. It is a wrong idea, let it go. Find out who you are, without it.

  You are taking this course, for your self. To take the stone from your own eye. In an airplane, you are instructed to put your own oxygen mask on first. You are changing, extrapolate. By the end of this course you are going to be a very different person than you are now, and happier, with no regrets for losses. You future self may have other plans so do not shackle her with the future projections, limiting beliefs of your current self.

  I'll try to keep this short, 

   I am not trying to repress your sharing. This comment projects that I am. Not true.

   Trying to make you more conscious of your shadow motives, and a bit of forum rules. I don't like long quotes because its repetitive. People saying what is on their minds, is all cool and sometimes it takes more words to get clarity. Asking others about their experiences feels like a lame journalist, or attention seeking.

  If you want to know about other peoples experience of FST, there are twenty years of archives and they are searchable.  A few students have told me, they have read the entire tearoom archives once they realized it is treasure. That amazes me. Someone told me they read the whole k list archives too. Those are also searchable. 

  the program taught me that the best way to learn something is to be able to teach it, because you will need to understand it so well that you can teach it

  So you internalized an idea because it was useful at the time even though you know from your own experience that it is not true. You used to be able to learn adequately without holding yourself to that standard. Yet you use that as a reason to share the content of FST with others, even knowing it is against the rules and not respectful of my copyrights. Using the rules of another school as an excuse to break the rules here.
 
  Then you go on to tell me you will not, and are not doing that. You already have been, by your own admission. 


  I have no intentions (at least none i am consciously aware--or is that my shadow self?) of taking your FST material. ...  I have shared it in conversations with some of my friends who have been through something similar to what i have or is supporting me through this transition process.

    I was not wrong, eh? You are already trying to teach FST to people. Taking my content and sharing it without my consent. 

   FST  is not, FST teacher training. Those who become FST Lineage get way, way more training. FST is inward focused. Knowing it well enough to teach it, is not my standard.

  It is about how the information affects you, what it brings up for you, what is surrendered, how you grow. The only mastery FST teaches is mastery of the self and you are miles away from that goal.

  There is no part of FST that is about mastering the concepts well enough to teach them, it is not about others at all! What you see is yourself reflected. You are the one wanting help and support and encouragement and it is ok to ask for that for your own self! It does not have to benefit others to be worthy.   

  right now, i m focusing on getting grounded 

  Good!

but i felt to do so because i wanted to let others know it really works and to encourage them to do the grounding etc.

  Again, you claim your motive is all about what you think other people need.

   We can take a poll. Did any other student need to be reassured that FST works? That grounding is good for you? Speak up please?  Yes or no?

  You are projecting fear and need onto them, and incidentally implying I am a bad teacher who does not do enough to encourage the students. That I need you to step in on my behalf. Did I ask for that? Did they? Or do you think they are all scared to speak here?

  Lets take a poll about that too. Do any others feel that way? I am genuinely interested to know.

  All these fears you express about people projecting negative crap at you. Who is the one projecting fears and negative crap onto others really? For selfish motives? Seems like... you? You are the one doing that. Why?

  Shadow is invisible, can be identified by how judgments of others,  are really ours, what we deny about ourselves. 

Every time i write publicly here, i hesitated and get "scared" of what is to come back. But i also not want to be afraid of your response because i can feel you don't have ulterior motives/motivations etc which i  know many have.

   Yeah learn to get grounded and into a state that is free from fear because kundalini and FST can be terrifying. Did I say it would not be? If you are grounded. Even so, FST will be the hardest thing you have ever done, or you are not fully invested.

  You keep trying to persuade me you are some timid mouse. Not buying it. You had the courage to leave a cult, and then sue them? Brass balls the size of cantaloupe, is what you got. The helpless timid mouse routine works very well on male egos, no doubt. They get all puffed up and protective.  Scared mouse is not true of you, it is a behavior you internalized because it worked. Manipulation. Shed this false self and be real.

  Courage is not fearlessness, that is just stupidity. Courage is being afraid and pushing past it to do what is right.  You have plenty. You have nothing to fear from me, but yeah ego can take a beating sometimes, here. Zen whacks, no cane, no malice, no selfish hidden agenda.  You are not your ego. Keep pushing past it. Stay grounded and face the fears.

maybe is also because others might be wondering the same thing. ...

  omg, you are a slippery one! LOL! How you twist things around.

  Yes the reason for offering support via a forum (I would hardly call it public, being members only!)  Is because others may have the same questions. That is in the introductory lesson.  That is also the reason the archives are forever.  It means, you can search the archives for answers to your questions, or to see how others experienced an issue. 

  It does *not* mean that the only reason for posting is to benefit others! It does not mean you need to keep that goal in mind when posting. Really not.  That is just the excuse your ego used to play your helper game where it was not wanted or needed. (pending poll results)

so even though i think i m being helpful..it's my shadow self?

  Yes. Normally we would not be talking shadow stuff this early in your process but you are trying to play power games with the other students. They did not come here for that. It comes up to be resolved, people grow at their own pace.

Projecting that others are in need, is a power game. I will not allow that here but I will help you see yourself better. What and why you are behaving that way. You have been doing it for so long you do not even see it anymore, it runs on autopilot and invisible therefore it is shadow stuff, what has been repressed.

"Coke adds life" implies the reader is a dead boring ass who needs that. If you buy into the projected message then you buy the product too, cha-ching!  Money is a form of power.

  What was the cult sales pitch? I am sure it was some variation of "You are deficient and need this to make your life better." You thought it was helping them. "Road to hell is paved with good intentions" is a lesson you haven't seen yet... but you have lived it. Look back on what came of your "good intentions" and realize intentions are ego, something to be questioned and scrutinized very carefully to find the hidden selfishness.

Nobody asked you to help them express themselves here. Nobody asked you to ask something on their behalf.  I did not ask you to help me teach, or motivate the other students.  Nobody signed up for FST to have you teach them. Nobody signed up because they think I am scary and a bad teacher. They do not need you to reassure them on that count.

  You thought they needed that, you projected that need onto them for your own reasons, and the reasons are self serving. Projecting need onto others where it does not exist is not helping, it is a manipulative power game.   

  For you, the currency is self worth. Where such power games exist, they are always a cover for insecurities and a lack of self love. 

  You playing your helper game where it is not wanted,  and the reason why is the saddest thing I will ever say to you. It will probably make you cry for a week!! and I am not sorry because you so need the emotional release, it is an act of mercy. Sympathetic, I have been there, but not sorry.

  You think your only value in the world, is what you can do for others.

  If you are not helping, you feel worthless, useless, unworthy of love and attention from anyone. So you are addicted to the helper position to validate you are worthy of existing, speaking, taking up space.

   You do not know how to love your self, just because you exist. It is reason enough for Goddess to love you, though She does not need  a reason. Ask your discernment, if I love you better than you love yourself. Might be quite a shock.

  You want to know of others experience, ,,, when Gopi was new, he kept trying to teach too, it was his comfort zone. When he realized it came from a lack of self love, it nearly broke him. So much to release!  It is all in the archives. He got through it and you will too.

  Gives you a box of tissues, chocolate and ice cream, and a reminder that you are loved.

  For the rest of your post, you are mostly spinning in circles, mis-interpreting what I said, and probably very un-grounded. You will understand better after you read Tenement,  so I will leave it aside for now.  Except...

  The classic method of dream interpretation is to assume everyone who appears in a dream is an aspect of yourself. I do not believe your former master has the power to walk into your dreams. You believe he does. What benefit do you get from that belief? How does it serve you?   

[2getherAgain]

Wow!! there is so much good stuff here, Mystress!

I agree with a lot of the things you said and felt to just process everything..and to reread it again and again.

Mystress said:   The hero identification projects "needs my help" onto everybody else...

Got it. I do agree. Will take some time as it's been a huge focus in my life.

Mystress said: What happens is the self serving needs get pushed into shadow....


So true! definitely need to work on this part and listen to that part more now..been taught the complete opposite growing up in addition to having this belief reinforced in my adult year.

Mystress said:   I am not trying to repress your sharing....

i find that i tend to be long winded-and ramble on in circles so it was more for myself. I have also had a history of being silence (including from myself), so thanks for encouraging me to share.

Mystress said: If you want to know about other peoples experience of FST...

I have tried and it just seems so overwhelming..and i guess i m quite sensitive that just looking at the archive with all those "massive different energy" is overwhelming like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I have tried doing searches and not sure if it's cuz i m sensitive to energy but it just feels so overwhelming. I'll attempt it again. I also seem to get a lot of energetic response (like this week, wake up and just consume in energy). Need to focus on my grounding more i guess. Having said that, i did do random searches and found some helpful stuff that i wasn't looking for but needed.

Mystress said: " I was not wrong, eh? You are already trying to teach FST to people. Taking my content and sharing it without my consent. "

I was under the impression the material you share on your public website was ok to share.  I notice a lot of the stuff you have on FST is also in the kundalini website that is for the public (my sharing was all done verbally through conversation in discussion) to talk to others about it. It just seem logical to discuss these deep material with someone so you can process it better. But if it's not meant to be shared, then i won't and will just put questions out here as needed..or just let it process in its own time.

Mystress said: "Again, you claim your motive is all about what you think other people need."


Another lesson i need to work on so thanks for spelling it out.

Mystress said: " You think your only value in the world, is what you can do for others."

Very true..nail on the head here.....thanks for spelling that out! Something else to work on.

Mystress said: "You will understand better after you read Tenement,  so I will leave it aside for now. .."


So i read Tenement...hmm...shocking...i would say there are quite a few similarities especially this ball of light that i keep feeling getting stronger and taking over my life... but i asked it and it said no..

My other 2 homework assignment, 1. Scorcher, tried looking for it on netflix, amazon prime, several libraries, foxtel.  Can't seem to find it but seems like an interesting movie to watch once i get access to it. 2. Commercial watching- i get it. yes, i bought their sales pitch, so no one to blame but myself. Very true. That's why i want to educate myself on these things in the spiritual world instead of just taking what people tell me at face value.

To answer your last question about what do i get out of it, it wasn't so much that as the dream just seem so real and when i wake up it's like i feel whatever that happened in that dream, actually did happen. if i say what benefit do i get out of this, it would be put the blame on him for something that i subconsciously don't even know/aware that i am doing (my shadow)?

Btw, a lot of the things you shared in this latest response are things I have been thirsting for to understand about myself. So..thank you for taking the time to spell this out. I have a sibling who goes through something similar to me and i been sharing this with her also.

[Priestesssss]

Mystress said: " I was not wrong, eh? You are already trying to teach FST to people. Taking my content and sharing it without my consent. "

I was under the impression the material you share on your public website was ok to share.  I notice a lot of the stuff you have on FST is also in the kundalini website that is for the public (my sharing was all done verbally through conversation in discussion) to talk to others about it. It just seem logical to discuss these deep material with someone so you can process it better. But if it's not meant to be shared, then i won't and will just put questions out here as needed..or just let it process in its own time.

I remember years ago, when Mystress had a Kundalini mailing list, I was walking with a friend who had the same kind of  'we are all that is, human is a manifestation of the universe experiencing itself' understanding.  She tried convincing others and was talking to me about them not being open to it.

My response was that I don't share it, at all.  She looked and me and I said that if someone is interested I'll engage in discussion, (like I was with her) but everyone either chooses to explore themselves or not.  It's not up to me to get them to do so.

Those who are drawn to it will find the Kundalini and/or FST websites, just as we did, when and if they're open to it.  Goddess has it handled.

It's good to know you know we are here, for questions and help with processing.    Namaste.