Reversed Gender People

[WhimsicalZephyr]

In reversed gender people, when the child's ego dives into the unconscious mind, is this the same thing as ego suicide or ego death?

...the unconscious has an experience of being locked away, and during the process of kundalini, it will be reawakened.

I find this sentence fragment confusing, and was wondering if you could elaborate, Mystress. It seems to be that if the ego has dived into the unconscious, that it is the ego that is locked away, not the unconscious. I would think that if the unconscious is 'doing life' for the conscious mind which has become a personality fragment in the unconscious, then the unconscious would be be locked away, but would indeed be the 'face' that one shows to the world and onself. Or have I gotten it wrong somehow?

Thanks.

WZ

[Mystress]

In reversed gender people, when the child's ego dives into the unconscious mind, is this the same thing as ego suicide or ego death?

No, it does not die, only hides. Ego death doesn't change the gender of the unconscious mind because the reborn ego is the same gender or none.

...the unconscious has an experience of being locked away, and during the process of kundalini, it will be reawakened.

I find this sentence fragment confusing, and was wondering if you could elaborate, Mystress. It seems to be that if the ego has dived into the unconscious, that it is the ego that is locked away, not the unconscious. I would think that if the unconscious is 'doing life' for the conscious mind which has become a personality fragment in the unconscious, then the unconscious would be be locked away, but would indeed be the 'face' that one shows to the world and onself. Or have I gotten it wrong somehow?

  Yup, that's a typo. Well spotted!

[WhimsicalZephyr]

Heh, I made a typo too.

then the unconscious would be be locked away

I meant to say conscious, but I think you got the gist of what I was saying, Mystress. It's easy to add or subtract a prefix!

[WhimsicalZephyr]

Hiya Mystress,

I was wondering if you could speak on how intersex people experience their Divine Beloved.  Do they also become reversed gender people?

WZ

[Mystress]

  You know I have some pretty unpopular opinions about the current issues of gender identity politics and I am pretty sure you are not intersexed or reversed so why are you asking me about this?
  Given that Canada has just passed new legislation regarding LGBT rights and religious discrimination, it kind of feels like you are trolling me.

  Instead of answering you directly I am going to turn this into discernment practice: Test these ideas/statements with your discernment. (Everybody!)

A.  Gender identity, like all identity, is primarily a function of ego.
B.  The gender of the energy body is set at birth and nothing can change it.
C.  Ego ideas of gender identity have no effect on the gender of the energy body.
D.  Men's energy body and therefore their consciousness is centered at the power chakra.
E. Women's energy body and therefore their consciousness is centered at the heart chakra.
     - The gender of the energy body has a profound effect on perceptions, attitudes and brain development.
     - A male energy body, trying to be a tantric priestess will interpret the teachings through his power chakra, and distort the essence of the tantric teachings to be all about power, not love.
F. Energy body gender is binary, male or female.
     - One cannot be centered in two chakras at once, they are distinctly different dimensions.
     - Therefore one cannot have an intersexed or trans energy body.
G. Ego identification of gender, is not recognized by spirit because newborn babies have no ego.
H. The energy body gender has a direct effect on our relationship with God and Goddess.
   - One can have a relationship with a gendered divinity that is opposite to the gender of the energy body but cannot become that in the same way. Men can relate to the Goddess but they cannot *become* Her as I do. I can relate to, communicate with male gendered fertility Gods like Bael or Herne but I cannot become them, they won't accept me as horse or vessel because that would be like castrating them. These spirits relate to birth gender/ energy body gender only.
   - Some male FST students have found themselves weeping with womb envy on realizing they can get so close to the Goddess but no closer because of their birth gender.
  I. Sexual orientation has no effect on the shape of consciousness: the DB (unconscious mind) is always the opposite gender of the body except when their is trauma that causes gender reversed people, and this is a damage that can be corrected, and repair sometimes results in a resolution of GID issues.  It has no effect on sexual orientation.
      -  Gay people who complain they want a same gender DB are out of luck. Typically their DB will take more of a parental/mentor role instead of a romantic one.
   J. Even when someone's ego identity fully surrenders to the DB, integrates and they experience themselves as Divine Androgyne, the gender of the energy body set at birth remains unchanged.
   K. Body energy/birth gender can often be detected remotely: communication from the fem, touches the heart and from the male, touches the power chakra. You can test this by reading posts of other students and feeling where their communication lands inside yourself.
   L. Hormonal changes at puberty do not only affect gender maturation, they also affect mental and emotional maturation.
      - Hormone blockers to delay sexual maturity also delay mental and emotional maturity- so at age 18 when GID people on hormone blockers, are expected to make a final decision about gender, they actually are still emotionally too young to make such a life changing and permanent decision.
   M.  Male ego is a band aid social identity to replace the female social consciousness gene that is switched off in utero with a male fetus as part of the transformation. (We all start out female, in the womb, for the first few weeks after conception.) 
     - That gene can become activated through deep surrender to the Goddess and an appreciation, awe of feminine power. When this happens, male ego loses its power, it becomes transparent and men are no longer its puppet.
     - This change is felt by other men, unconsciously- they will no longer include the gene awakened in their male ego chest thumping games. 

  Get very grounded, run those statements through your discernment filters, tell me what you get?
 
   

[glassa24]

Hm, not sure this resonates with me personally. Seems like a lot of rules about gender and sexuality - and not sure I've seen other course materials broken down quite so rigidly. But maybe I will prove myself wrong!

[WhimsicalZephyr]

You know I have some pretty unpopular opinions about the current issues of gender identity politics and I am pretty sure you are not intersexed or reversed so why are you asking me about this?

  Given that Canada has just passed new legislation regarding LGBT rights and religious discrimination, it kind of feels like you are trolling me.

I am definitely not trolling you. It’s not my intent to start a quarrel or an argument, but a civil discussion. I am asking you this because I am conflicted. My first love was a transwoman, and I’ve dated and been friends with many transpeople. Over the years, I have adopted a lot of their beliefs and views. I was surprised when I found out your opinions differ, and it threw me into a bit of turmoil. I respect your teachings and your beliefs, and it gives me pause to reconsider whether or not I am wise to take on the popularly held views of my trans friends. I care about my trans and intersex friends, I see their suffering, and I want to do what I can to make life a little easier for them. I read a lot about how accepting and acknowledging a child’s chosen gender, name and pronoun is good for their mental health, and can reverse depression. But I also know that there is still a 40% suicide rate of post-op transsexuals. So like I say, I’m conflicted.

Instead of answering you directly I am going to turn this into discernment practice: Test these ideas/statements with your discernment. (Everybody!)

A.  Gender identity, like all identity, is primarily a function of ego.  Yes.

B.  The gender of the energy body is set at birth and nothing can change it. I have trouble with this one. I can agree that trans people’s energy bodies are set at birth, but what about intersex folk? Intersex is rare â€" about 1 in 2000 â€" but they do exist and I wonder how that reflects on the gender of the energy body. Does Goddess choose their gender or do they choose as they develop ego identity? And in any case, I think that doing genital surgery on infants is wrong unless there is an essential plumbing problem that needs to be corrected.

C.  Ego ideas of gender identity have no effect on the gender of the energy body.  Yes.

D.  Men's energy body and therefore their consciousness is centered at the power chakra. Yes.

E. Women's energy body and therefore their consciousness is centered at the heart chakra. Yes.

     - The gender of the energy body has a profound effect on perceptions, attitudes and brain development. Yes.

     - A male energy body, trying to be a tantric priestess will interpret the teachings through his power chakra, and distort the essence of the tantric teachings to be all about power, not love.  Yes.

F. Energy body gender is binary, male or female.  I get maybe on this one. When I met my ex-girlfriend, I didn’t get a sense of male or female, or rather, bits of both. She had an ultrasound before her gender reassignment surgery and says there was evidence of a partial uterus and fallopian tubes. She definitely gave off a ‘both’ kind of vibe to me. Even now, post-surgery.

     - One cannot be centered in two chakras at once, they are distinctly different dimensions. Yes.

     - Therefore one cannot have an intersexed or trans energy body. I get a maybe on this one.

G. Ego identification of gender, is not recognized by spirit because newborn babies have no ego. Yes.

H. The energy body gender has a direct effect on our relationship with God and Goddess.  Yes.

   - One can have a relationship with a gendered divinity that is opposite to the gender of the energy body but cannot become that in the same way. Men can relate to the Goddess but they cannot *become* Her as I do. I can relate to, communicate with male gendered fertility Gods like Bael or Herne but I cannot become them, they won't accept me as horse or vessel because that would be like castrating them. These spirits relate to birth gender/ energy body gender only. Yes.
Hmm, I had a couple of experiences with being possessed briefly by male gods. Once was during meditation, once was during a reverse-gender Drawing Down. In the meditation, I was taken over by the consciousness of what I believed to be the Stag God. During the reverse Drawing Down, I channeled Pan. But I can see what you mean by me not being able to become those gods, even if they have allowed me brief glimpses of their consciousness. Both times I snapped out of it pretty quickly. Attempting to invoke the God within myself gives a big power chakra no. Invoking Goddess makes my heart chakra light up.

   - Some male FST students have found themselves weeping with womb envy on realizing they can get so close to the Goddess but no closer because of their birth gender.  Yes.

  I. Sexual orientation has no effect on the shape of consciousness: the DB (unconscious mind) is always the opposite gender of the body except when their is trauma that causes gender reversed people, and this is a damage that can be corrected, and repair sometimes results in a resolution of GID issues.  It has no effect on sexual orientation.  Yes.

      - Gay people who complain they want a same gender DB are out of luck. Typically their DB will take more of a parental/mentor role instead of a romantic one. Yes.

   J. Even when someone's ego identity fully surrenders to the DB, integrates and they experience themselves as Divine Androgyne, the gender of the energy body set at birth remains unchanged. I get no answer or a maybe for this one.

   K. Body energy/birth gender can often be detected remotely: communication from the fem, touches the heart and from the male, touches the power chakra. You can test this by reading posts of other students and feeling where their communication lands inside yourself. I tested it and confirmed this effect. And having dated both genders, I’ve seen evidence of this.


   L. Hormonal changes at puberty do not only affect gender maturation, they also affect mental and emotional maturation.  Yes.

      - Hormone blockers to delay sexual maturity also delay mental and emotional maturity- so at age 18 when GID people on hormone blockers, are expected to make a final decision about gender, they actually are still emotionally too young to make such a life changing and permanent decision. Yes.

   M.  Male ego is a band aid social identity to replace the female social consciousness gene that is switched off in utero with a male fetus as part of the transformation. (We all start out female, in the womb, for the first few weeks after conception.)  Yes.

     - That gene can become activated through deep surrender to the Goddess and an appreciation, awe of feminine power. When this happens, male ego loses its power, it becomes transparent and men are no longer its puppet. Yes.

     - This change is felt by other men, unconsciously- they will no longer include the gene awakened in their male ego chest thumping games. Yes.

Get very grounded, run those statements through your discernment filters, tell me what you get?
I’ve sat with this for the last couple of days, and have done a lot of grounding and checking in with my guides. I think for me, I can accept that transpeople have gender identity dysphoria and that it is resolvable sometimes, though I wonder about those who don’t resolve. I struggle the most with the concept of intersex folks, having known a couple. If gender is binary, and Goddess always gets it right, how can there be people who are biologically born both?

I got a yes for most questions. The maybes seems to relate to the gender of the energy body. Perhaps as I get into the lessons on gender things will become clearer. I’m still in the section of the course that deals with DB and the body-mind. I’m currently reviewing all the lessons up to and including Body Talk, which helped me answer most of these questions.
Perhaps I’m getting ahead of myself?

WZ

[Mystress]

I am definitely not trolling you. It’s not my intent to start a quarrel or an argument, but a civil discussion. I am asking you this because I am conflicted. My first love was a transwoman, and I’ve dated and been friends with many transpeople. Over the years, I have adopted a lot of their beliefs and views. I was surprised when I found out your opinions differ, and it threw me into a bit of turmoil. I respect your teachings and your beliefs, and it gives me pause to reconsider whether or not I am wise to take on the popularly held views of my trans friends. I care about my trans and intersex friends, I see their suffering, and I want to do what I can to make life a little easier for them. I read a lot about how accepting and acknowledging a child’s chosen gender, name and pronoun is good for their mental health, and can reverse depression. But I also know that there is still a 40% suicide rate of post-op transsexuals. So like I say, I’m conflicted.

Thank you. I did not say you were trolling me, I know you would not deliberately, that it "it kind of feels like you are trolling me." is a reference to myself feeling a bit gun shy on the topic since bringing up the idea of writing a book to resolve GID got me tarred and feathered on FB.  I partly did it to get a measure of the type of opposition I would face from the trans activist community... sort of validated, most of the people trying to trample me with their jack boots  did not understand what I was talking about and did not want to try... a "shoot on sight" attitude that makes me think "Thou dost protest too much" and wonder who they are really trying to persuade?  What lie do they tell themselves that they need to defend so harshly to silence dissidence?

  My feeling is the bitterness I found in some trans people was that they discovered the hard way: the surgeries and hormones did not give them what they hoped for, and they did not dare to admit it. A hole in the body lined with scrotum skin, is not a vagina. It is not self cleaning or self lubricating, it does not have the supporting muscles and nothing of the same nerve sensations - assuming nerves were successfully preserved and that is a crap shoot. Nerve damage and chronic pain is also likely.

   Human brain gender is a FST lesson, because it is something identifiable to the naked eye in cadavers. The corpus callosum of a woman is 2-3x larger than in men, and it is the bump at the base of the brain that connects the two hemispheres. We use our brains differently and it flows through to every aspect of gender based thinking and behavior. There is so much more to gender, than hormones and genitals. Telling children that some surgery will magically change their gender, is a lie, especially as the issues of gender identity are of the ego identity.

  Maybe the suicide rate is because these kids are being sold on a lie. Parents say, they want the kids to "pass" but that is on society, isn't it? Not giving the kids a pass unless they have been mutilated to earn it?

  When I look deep into the shadow of the politics I see big pharma dancing with western medicine for the win of another kid on hormones for life, plus the bonuses of the lifelong health issues they are not warned about. Big pharma is run by sociopaths. I suspect future generations may look back on this era of surgical transitioning, like we look back on the era of lobotomies.

  All that, is politics. FST is an inward process focused on the male and fem within. The alchemy of opposites coming together that is the sacred marriage, requires male and fem and nothing else works. Polarized like magnets. Try to erase the polarity, you weaken the magnet.

  Think of it like safety matches: you can only light them by striking them on the side of the box because no where else has the essential ingredient for ignition.  Regular matches have the ignition chemical in the tip but still no fire until the two are brought together. Try to make a match with the two already blended, there is no fire.

  I taught a remote sex tantra class in secondlife a few years ago, and the numbers were unbalanced, twice as many men as women. The guys were pretty good about partnering with another male for most of the earlier exercises and some were gay,  bi or gender blended.

   In the last class, I made sure everybody had a yamyum turn with everybody else and played at gender switching.  Even the gay guys could admit that the male/fem birth gender yabyum sparked a different, more intense energy even in the absence of desire, than what same sex pairings could invoke.  Pretending to be the other gender, even channelling the Divine Beloved, did not replace the body/energy body gender spark. External couples tantra flows through the energy body gender.

  I sometimes refer to it as binary: 0 and 1. Chalice and athame, Yoni and lingham. In tarot, the 0 is the holy fool, the surrendered one, ascended. Goddess void, the Sacred Nothing like the silent mind of a zen master. The 1 card is the high priest, the I AM, personal will. Nonduality, and duality. Goddess and God. Unconscious mind, infinite, and conscious mind =I am = ego.  The binary is persistent because it is essential, and it is a reflection of our consciousness.

  Doing empathic healing on someone of the opposite body gender, the sensations are reversed. Physical issues on their left, I will feel in my right side.

  None of my work is "it is true because I say so."  Always important to use discernment and experience to find the truth for yourself, then it is really understood. Otherwise it is just words. I appreciate that you took the time with it.

F. Energy body gender is binary, male or female.  I get maybe on this one. When I met my ex-girlfriend, I didn’t get a sense of male or female, or rather, bits of both. She had an ultrasound before her gender reassignment surgery and says there was evidence of a partial uterus and fallopian tubes. She definitely gave off a ‘both’ kind of vibe to me. Even now, post-surgery.

  Well I get that vibe from some people too but the surface impression is not the same as when you focus only on where their communication touches you inside. That represents where they are really coming from, and it reflects the birth gender of the energy body. I have zero science to suggest it also represents brain gender... but observation and discernment. That brain gender is dismissed from the politics of the trans community and medicine is unbelievable to me. 

   J. Even when someone's ego identity fully surrenders to the DB, integrates and they experience themselves as Divine Androgyne, the gender of the energy body set at birth remains unchanged. I get no answer or a maybe for this one.

  Well I am an example. I was a tomboy as a kid, went shirtless, hated dolls and loved trucks and tools, I was male in most of my dreams including one astonishing sexual gay male dream. I did not fuss about it until "the talk" at school: all that bleeding mess from an organ I had no use for, (I knew i did not want to have children), sent me into full rebellion of my birth gender.
   My guidance and explained that a female body and brain had powers that I would need to accomplish my purpose this lifetime ( Given that my unprecedented transformation to planetary avatar was womb-centered, I doubt a male could attain it and again validates, "Goddess gets it right." ) and spent about 6 months showing me the advantages of a female brain and body, not the least of which is the power of female beauty.
  Soon after accepting it I did some self hypnosis based magic to alter how my body would grow. This is a shaman thing, every shaman I know did some sort of magical, deliberate body mods as a child, to change their development. My GID was resolved by me being persuaded to accept the card I was dealt and resolving to make the most of it.

  I am a fan of Byron Katie and am working my way through her book, "Loving what is." She and me and Buddha all in alignment, sharing the same truth: suffering comes of resistance, to what Is. All three of us teach a path of letting go of resistance, to have peace and happiness on tap that does not spring from what is external.

"I will be happy when..." or "if" is always a bad bargain. There is only, here and now. Resistance is something that grows, the more you feed it. Downward spiral, away from happiness.

  I attained Divine Androgyne at my shaman grad... but do my words touch your heart or power chakra?

Get very grounded, run those statements through your discernment filters, tell me what you get?
I’ve sat with this for the last couple of days, and have done a lot of grounding and checking in with my guides. I think for me, I can accept that transpeople have gender identity dysphoria and that it is resolvable sometimes, though I wonder about those who don’t resolve. I struggle the most with the concept of intersex folks, having known a couple. If gender is binary, and Goddess always gets it right, how can there be people who are biologically born both?

I do not claim to know all the variety of experiences that people incarnate to have. I have never met anyone who is perfectly androgyne either, there is always one gender a bit stronger than the other, within them. I have never read anything about the brain gender of intersexed people either.

  Ever noticed how gay couples tend to each taking on the gender roles? Always one more butch and one more fem and it has little to do with appearance. It is dismissed as a cliche but those often are rooted in truth.  I remember a gay couple owned a salon I worked for, one was tall and square looking, reminded me a bit of Frankenstein, always wore suits...  but he was the sensitive swishy fem and the short, rounded pudgy guy was the male.
  The attraction between male and fem is persistent even in gay relationships. That binary is rooted so deep, in instinctive issues of species survival... yet gay people are not excluded.
  Saw a story a while ago of how a gay penguin couple in a zoo adopted an orphaned chick: and it is normal penguin behaviour in the wild. There are gay penguin couples and they adopt abandoned or orphaned chicks, and raise them. They do not contribute directly to population increase by procreating themselves but they provide survival for some already born who would not survive otherwise. Nature's genius. Our reflection.

  Curiously, I cannot ever remember reading about an animal being born intersexed. Have you? Aside from creatures that are already switchy, like salamanders. There are two headed snakes and such... mutations occur. It is rare enough in humans, if it is nearly non existent in nature? ... that intrigues me.

  One benefit of "Goddess gets it right" is that the next question is, "what is She up to, with this? "  When you look for Her perfection in what Is, it opens up a whole arena of insights that resistance, (judging something a problem that needs to be fixed)  could never see.

 

[WhimsicalZephyr]

Thank you for responding, Mystress. I really appreciate it.

Human brain gender is a FST lesson, because it is something identifiable to the naked eye in cadavers. The corpus callosum of a woman is 2-3x larger than in men, and it is the bump at the base of the brain that connects the two hemispheres. We use our brains differently and it flows through to every aspect of gender based thinking and behavior.

Well, MRIs have shown that trans folks brain makeup resembles that of their chosen gender. I'm not sure why that is or what it means. I'm not a scientist.

When I look deep into the shadow of the politics I see big pharma dancing with western medicine for the win of another kid on hormones for life, plus the bonuses of the lifelong health issues they are not warned about. Big pharma is run by sociopaths.

No argument here. I just bought some CBD oil and have a consultation call with O Cannabis Canada today. I really pray it works and I can get off some narcotics. I don't like being fuzzy-headed and drowsy all the time.

  Well I get that vibe from some people too but the surface impression is not the same as when you focus only on where their communication touches you inside. That represents where they are really coming from, and it reflects the birth gender of the energy body.

Well, I've known transwomen without knowing they were transwomen! To me, their energy just seemed femme. I haven't had a lot of indepth communication with most of my trans friends, but I'll pay attention to the communication on Facebook and see where it hits me. I do know one FtM guy who transitioned but is still hella femme, and owns it.

  I attained Divine Androgyne at my shaman grad... but do my words touch your heart or power chakra?

Your words touch my heart moreso than my power chakra, though that occasionally gets a boost from your words.

I have never read anything about the brain gender of intersexed people either.

Me neither, I just tried a google search and found nothing.

Ever noticed how gay couples tend to each taking on the gender roles? Always one more butch and one more fem and it has little to do with appearance. It is dismissed as a cliche but those often are rooted in truth.

Well yeah, some gay couple align themselves along the femme/butch dynamic. Lesbians do it too, though not so much according to my femme lesbian friend. She had a hard time meeting other femme/butch couples, at least in Vancouver as the community was mostly made up of androdykes who dated each other. I have noticed a lot of butch guys prefer butch guys, bears prefer bears, etc. So it's not a hard and fast rule.

One benefit of "Goddess gets it right" is that the next question is, "what is She up to, with this? "  When you look for Her perfection in what Is, it opens up a whole arena of insights that resistance, (judging something a problem that needs to be fixed)  could never see.

I'll have to try asking this. Thanks for responding.

WZ

[Sigmund]

Yes to all the questions above.  I had a good bit to chew on with this, Mystress.  Thank you for setting the table so I could eat.

    <3