Charisma and Shakti-field

[halloween]

Hello all. Just wanted to introduce myself. Looking forward to getting started with this work.

For some reason I had a strong intuitive sense that I should enroll in the school. Mystress's writing mentions so many things that have occurred to me in recent years, that it felt like an unconscious signal that it was the right choice. There's something about Mystress 

I asked about this on the public forum, and I appreciated Duu's answer. I thought I would post the question here as well in case anyone has further thoughts. I also had another question after that.

I had a teacher once who said that when the energy body is awakened/developed, we radiate energy in all directions like a star, and that when this happens, we become charismatic, turn heads, etc. And that's why we call celebrities "stars." She also told me that living is about learning to be loving. She was a great teacher.

I'm wondering if this work or kundalini has anything to do with what we might call charisma, stage presence, personal magnetism, etc.?

After doing some further reading, it looks like charisma might be related to the shakti-field? But that what people are attracted to is the energy, not necessarily the person?

I'm not looking to trick or deceive anybody with it, just hoping to be a better performer and bring more delight and joy to audiences, more joy into the world.

I was also wondering, are students recommended to complete 20 lessons before a Tummo initiation? Or is that just for shaktipat/kundalini awakening with Mystress?

Sorry, I know that's a lot, but thanks all, looking forward to studying!

[Sigmund]

Hello, halloween.  Welcome aboard.  There's lots to chew on in the course.

I'll answer one of your questions.  Mystress requires one to complete the first 20 lessons before having a Tummo initiation.   That'll help you be ready.

   Best regards

[Duu]

Hi, glad to see you here.

Well it's not an easy issue to discuss as it may seem. Yes there is a connection between kundalini and charisma and there are many angles one can approach it philosophically.

Yet you ask from a perspective of how and if kundalini can help your charisma and acting career.
And that is more difficult. As frankly kundalini can even make your career worse. As having stronger energy and more empathic sensitivity is not always a blessing. So then thinking that kundalini will automatically help you in that way is a misunderstanding.
I would go even as far as to say that kundalini awakening, then path and strong public interaction are not going well together.

As I wrote before on KT forum. Charisma is complex thing, it's not only shakti field and in my view its not something that you project per say, but something who you are. That is perceived by others as a whole. What is percieved is just as example, body movement, speach tone, mind ripeness, peace etc. And that is hard to fake. And that will determine what quality of energy you project.
Perhaps the alure of a fully awaked individual is something different than charisma. Even if charisma can develop too. As I would say the people who desire the same respond strongly and others may barely notice such individual.
So that is just few thoughts to this big theme.

Love
Duu

[Gopi]

"As frankly kundalini can even make your career worse. As having stronger energy and more empathic sensitivity is not always a blessing. So then thinking that kundalini will automatically help you in that way is a misunderstanding.
I would go even as far as to say that kundalini awakening, then path and strong public interaction are not going well together."

I don't entirely agree with this Duu. I am not completely disagreeing with you either. Please allow me to clarify myself.
As Mystress has pointed out several times (in lessons, chats, and forums), surrender is the imperative for K. Any and all 'worse' reactions and experiences are, IMHO, signs of things that are yet to be surrendered. I agree with Duu that 'K will not automatically help you to do what YOU want'. But if Goddess wills that you're going to be a charismatic actor, there really is not much you can do about it.
One of the most powerful lessons that I learned from FST (and the one that took the longest time for me to actually implement in my everyday life) - 'what you resist persists.'

Reg. charisma, shakti-field, and K - My sincere suggestion is to stop looking for any special causes. It's a slippery slope from there to hero trip. I was reading an account of a Jewish woman who recalled her experience of watching Hitler make a speech. At the end of the speech, she found herself passionately screaming with the crowd '"Sieg heil mein fuhrer!' She recollects later, she has no idea why she did that and insists that it was one of the most genuinely passionate communal moment she felt.
Charisma, in my personal opinion, is not bad. It's a natural defense strategy. When people perceive us appealing, they usually don't tend to harm us and most likely will do things in our favor. In the hands of wounded ego, this is really bad news! I was very shocked to realize that in my own life, victims need heroes to save them and heroes need victims to be saved. If there's nothing to save, there is no hero - no doer ego. Scary for ego, if not in surrender. In many ways, what Duu is hinting at K being scary and uncomfortable, I think comes from such fear.
'Thy will be done!' - it helps me not worry about what I should do or how others perceive me.
Namaste!

[WillyT]

Hi halloween,

To echo Gopi 

                         

Reg. charisma, shakti-field, and K - My sincere suggestion is to stop looking for any special causes. It's a slippery slope from there to hero trip.

Something often repeated here is "The path to hell is paved with good intentions"; not that you will flip out and become a charismatic murderer but Kundalini is about surrendering. Going in with hopes of attaining traits or abilities will backfire on us. Surrender needs to be given to the process. On this journey your concept of "I" will be transformed many times over and that will never end. Whether the karmic content being burned away makes you a more of what you consider a charismatic person is up to Goddess.

With reguards to passions in the arts, I ask myself If there were no audience would I still do it? If there were no eyes or ears but my own to behold my creation would I still do it? So far the answer is still yes. I still display my creations publicly, but the Genesis of the work is my need to bring it into existence and see it.

[halloween]

I just want to thank everyone for the thoughtful discussion. I did some searching and Mystress talks about it in this thread: http://fire-serpent.com/tearoom/index.php/topic,849.msg3491.html#msg3491

Quoting Mystress from that thread:

"As an actor I was taught to expand my energy to fill the theatre, it brings the audience in to an intimate space and makes the performer appear very charismatic! Theatre is a consensual space, actors are taught to project energy in a way that doesn't work so well in other situations.

When teaching workshops is about the only time I really turn my energy outward, show up sparkly."

That's pretty much what I was wondering about, how to sparkle.

[Duu]

Hi,
Yes Mystress has an actress training and obviously has lots of experiences teaching workshops.  So you will find many comments here and there that are relevant to your questions. In previous answer I pointed bit that there can be negative effect to energy projections. And that “intent” or “good intent” is not necessarily a protective thing.

Mystress has some answers in the forum that addressed the reasons why people should not become gurus, teacher or energy healers too soon, as it often happens. Even after they discovered in them the ability to express energy and think it's a good career choice. Precisely because of the negative effect the energy work can have. So you can try to find some posts in regard of that.

Also things do work in different ways then how we commonly think they do work. So to example kundalini looks like purely energy work however it also works on body tensions and muscular blockages created via stuck emotional or karmic material. So then after some time body becomes cleaned of blockages and the movements become smooth, silky smooth, its pleasure to look at that person. Ones back becomes naturally straight and breathing deepens. Whole posture and body becomes relaxed like a cat.  Immediately its pleasurable to watch just a hand movement.

Obviously when the body channels are more clean more energy can flow in them. But as seen from previous, its not this energy flow or energy projection that makes the whole allure. In fact with body full of karmic tensions there is no way for energy to flow. So it's an interdependent situation. So an idea as becoming the star, light, sparkling etc. shows itself to be something more body related then it appeared. So in many ways kundalini path as presented here is “back to the body” and not a path into the “light” etc.
People know a lot from how you move, their unconsciousness knows. And to fake something else it's not so easy. Mystress says that everybody is psychic at some level. So people will know. They may be fooled for short while but thats it. Also people know if you are warm and open or selfish and cruel. Somehow it soaks trough their speech and movement that you know.
So that is how I view the really useful type of charisma. Its way different then energy projection which actually almost anyone could pull off. It's a kind of long path doing work perhaps even on seemingly unrelated areas and then somehow personal and human ripeness appears.
Obviously you will always project who you are.. you can not do otherwise. And people react to quality of who you are. It colors the energy. There are not that many people who genuinely care about others.
I always thought I did, until I discovered that Im not immune to the human quirk of creating various self delusions to feel better about myself.

Love,
Duu

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[Duu]

Hi,

Well there are various energy activations and openings that can then impact other people and influence them in a strong way. And various personality structures. In fact what is commonly seen as charisma in a politician to example is not the necessarily the spiritual kind of charisma.
Charismatic politician or priest speaks in very self assured way, he is totally certain of his truth and dogma. Never even having a shadow of a doubt. And that appeals to many.

And he has an air of fearlessness, but that comes out of blindness and recklessness not out of genuine facing the fear and going beyond it. And is self assured when commanding others, as he “knows” what is right for them or for the “whole” or “us”. With clear us - them duality. In fact that is pathology of narcissism, as that before has pathology of a psychopath. So manipulative narcissistic psychopath is perceived as charismatic.And gets ahead in popularity and power in a way that seems quite natural and deserved. He may be sweet and caring and good will, but only to people who are on his side or perceived so by people who don't see much behind the scenes.
Now a balanced awakened individual cannot go about things like that. They cannot be totally self assured, totally certain of their dogma. If they are then they are not fully awakened in balanced way. As those awakened in balanced way are always seeing truth of other side and know that there are other ways of seeing things. They are always avoiding any final statements and their pronouncements can sound uncertain and often contradictory.
 That is very unappealing to general public. As many think that such person knows nothing. Or that he or she is undecided, weak or confused. They cant be forceful in commanding others as they know that “they don't know” what is right for everyone.

So charisma is a certain power that aligns itself very well with manipulative narcissistic and to a degree psychopathic personality. As he may  have feelings or care about feeling of others, but only of those on his side. People on other side are more like objects.
So many people when they train charisma, without knowing actually train some aspects of manipulative, narcissistic psychopath. As that seems to work with people today.
And most new age gurus totally fall into that category.
Also most of top business people fall into that category.
I think in highly stressful environment where survival fight is a high priority then in those environments and times the psychopath is a good evolutionary adaptation. And is to be emulated and commended.
However we are not in emergency survival situation. Its only our confused mind that somehow lenses for us the casual life situations as emergency survival situations.
So we are preferring psychopath leaders and emulate psychopathology for “success” in todays world, because it works. And thus we make the world pathologic.

So lets look at the most successful new age idea in recent decades, “the secret”. You can control and manipulate the whole world and the world design is made as to serve you.If others have illness or misfortune they wished into existence and thus its not really your problem. Those toddlers in Africa chose to starve. Wow they are such powerful creators.
What better way to express an ideology that is catering to narcissistic psychopaths and their groupies and wannabes in training?
Obviously those speakers of “the secret” are very “charismatic” and the idea is very “charismatic”. Like that you are enthusiastic about it right away. Ah, it must be the ring of truth that you feel.

Yet nearly nobody in spiritual field found anything fishy about that proposal.
That there is something quite human and pathological about it.
So what does it tells about us?

Love,
Duu

[Duu]

Hi,
I posted the previous post and its a bit of a rant. I realized that there was something that bugged me. It became clear to me after posting that when a kundalini psychosis occurs it is actually an event when highly increased narcissistic and psychopathic persona elements come up to an extreme and hijack the whole. Because they likely been there the whole time. Only for whatever reason not seen. When I looked in myself I think they are visible and were always visible, only they are labeled as “good”. Or as something important to me, so they were not throughly examined.
I think its easy to work on a surrendering or exploring elements that one sees as problematic, but much harder when one sees them as good.

So FST forum can work magically.
I wrote a comment and got some important insight for myself and my own situation at the moment.
Lovely.

Love,
Duu

[Mystress]

I have written quite a lot on this topic over the years. Search "Shakti field."

  Is not the same as performance charisma, Shakti can only be felt by awakened people, unawakened won't see anything special. Chi is for performance. To build up your chi, do the first part of the grounding but stop before sending it to the earth. Practice making the internal reservoir as bright and vibrant as you can.

  Advanced level, is the Tina Turner trick. Accept the energy of attention, transmute it into joy and laughter, send it back out. Watch her move energy, in a video of her concert sometime, shes Buddhist and awesome at it. Tiny woman, HUGE charisma. Magnetic. Look at her heart and power chakra glowing as she does the alchemy, energy of attention into the power chakra, and joy shining out of the heart. Pure joy, passion for her art.   
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10bIbch7fYg

This one shes playing with the second chakra buzz too, sexy earthy energy. Totally embodied.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqIpkMDRjYw

[halloween]

Thank you for the reply. That's good to know, I was not aware of the distinction (chi being for performance charisma).

Mystress, you once wrote: "Try this when you are grounded. Say "Goddess please give me some chi. Thank you." You will find you get more chi from one request than from a dozen chi gung workouts."
http://fire-serpent.com/tearoom/index.php/topic,1021.0.html

I'll have to try that. I've been doing an intense form of standing chi gung, but I would happily stop if all I have to do is ask for chi.

From a bit further down in that thread: "The grounding too.. the solar light is chi, we give it to the Goddess; sending it to the fiery crystal.  Goddess gives back better; the uprush of Shakti.  Goddess will give you all the chi you can eat,  just for the asking... but then what do you do with it?  Chi responds to your free will, empowering your ego.  Kundalini is about surrendering free will to Goddess will for you.  So give your chi to the Goddess. "

So maybe only keep the chi for performances? And then give it back afterward, do the rest of the grounding? To avoid the ego/ethical concerns regarding charisma in the discussion here.

Also, those Tina Turner performances, wow! Talk about charisma.