ho´oponopo initially but wandered off..

Tommy · Aug 03, 2006, 09:10:44 PM

I did not read the arcticle.. your response just made me wonder:

If i see a man raping a woman, should i let him because he has free will? If i am present i can use my free will to stop him.. if i am not present, but i dont want anybody to be raped, then what?

Im not trying to be lame or start a discussion, but i have been wondering about this for some time..

I dont feel responsible for the actions of others directly maybe, but i would like to live in a world where men is "men of honor". I would like to live in a world where people could be safe. I guess a woman is responsible for being raped? maybe she has "bad karma" and was a rapist in a previous life.. i dont know?

but what i mean is, is there anything above free will? .. divine will, love, peace? Is there a motive pure enough for "me/us" to violate the free will of others? I mean it is done all the time, manipulation in politics, tv etc. Is it not a violation if you win people over like Hitler did in the beginning?

Hitler had every right to do what he did?, and his enemies had every right to stop him?. Is this survival of the fittest? or does the guy wearing the white cowboy-hat always win in the end?

It seems as the neverending story doesn´t it. I guess i could loose myself in love and not suffer any hardships.. i would be free of this world. But i am starting to wonder if the world was ever meant to be free?

What if i had enough power to turn all the guns of the world so the people firing them got killed or if i was "smart" enough to spot the bad seeds and anihilate them, would the world be safe then?

from what i can absorbe from mystress´ teachings and goddes all solutions will be an ego game.. a the next volume of the never ending story.

if i do as mentioned above, something else would happen ~ maybe it is better, maybe not.

But if non-dualism is the only way "out" i can take myself beyond the game of life, i just wonder if the game of life is over before heaven is on earth.. or is the ideal of heaven on earth the reason that the game continues?

how about the people who does not seem to want a peaceful world.. does the war not end before they change their mind.. or does it end when "enough" is anchorered in non-dualism and they have noone to fight except themselves.

I guess my questions is more from an "evolution" point of view. It helped me alot in an earlier post where the same sort of question was roaming in me.. mystress answered that sometimes renovating her furniture was her reason for exsistence in that moment (maybe a very far fetched quote *sry*). What i understood from that was that it is not so much the reasoning i use to justify my excistence that matters.. more the prescence of the moment. The more reasoning i seek.. the less presence. (another nice never ending story *s*)

I keep surrendering all my excistentialistic questions but they come back?! As i can sense it is because too much of my presence needs reason and i if i took the big plunge i would loose myself not find myself?

It might be the case that i have not been present enough to find my own reason for exsistence.. but to an extend i think i have. Mostly my joy or love is not depending on things.. they just exsist, and there is no reason for them not to. But there must be an intelligence in presence, otherwise it is stupidity or psychosis, no? I mean it is false freedom.. i hide in my crown and when i get hurt i dont feel the pain.. not because i am free, just because i am not present.

but is there a broader reason for being present than presence.. if there isnt, then Goddes plz flush me!! ... gently

Inputs are treasured.. and i am aware that noone can answer for me, but a hint or a push in the right direction be nice.

By the way i admire the people who can make themselves clear in lesser words than me

Tommy

: I disagree with these teachings.

: Taking on responsibility for the way that other people use their free will, in my opinion, is disrespectful of their free will. If you take on responsibility for how I write this letter, lol, that is silly.

: It is impossible to take on responsibility for choices that out of your control - the free will of others.

: Trying to take on responsibility for everything is like trying to control, and leads to resistance.

: Scott

Scott E · Aug 04, 2006, 12:34:17 AM

These thought experiments are good. Think of them in terms of the matriarch if you can.

In my response I was trying to make the point that taking responsibility alone will not end all of the cycles of birth and rebirth thus there are some cases where it will not aid, or will even be resistance.

I think taking it to the extreme would throw someone off balance. But the writer of that article didn't agree. I wonder if the difference could be DNA.

Ultimatly I think it takes discernment on how to proceed.

Scott

Vyana · Aug 04, 2006, 02:22:31 AM

As I perceive the situation, the intellect is limited by time and space and other "filters" which can never grasp the infinite reality and our relation to it. We learn a lot of concepts on the spiritual path, but they can only take us a bit further on our way; we will outgrow all of them in the end and they will have to be surrendered. From the highest perspective all is well and our task is just to %ndash intuitionally %ndash understand that and live in that reality. I sometimes go back to this metaphor in an attempt to grasp the big picture.

A small boy is sitting in a chair at a cinema, watching a film. He is totally consumed by the film, forgetting all about the world outside the film. In fact, this boy is somewhat special, because he is even forgetting there is a world outside the film.
The film is kind of scary, and the boy should not really be watching it at all; especially not on his own. There are soldiers killing other soldiers on the film. There are soldiers chasing women and children to kill or torture them. There are many other people harming other people and kids in many different ways. The film just goes on, non-stop, seemingly for ever. The boy has forgotten all about his own world, where there is peace and love and harmony, and nothing like this ever happens. To him, all that exist is the film.
Then, by chance the boy%rsquos eyes are drawn to the border-line of the film image at the cinema screen. He notices that the world of the film suddenly ends. He notices there is a world outside the film. This is even scarier to him. Where is he in this world? Is there a solider holding a gun to the back of his head, ready to fire? The boy thinks, %ldquoNo this is just too scary! I don%rsquot dare to look! Let%rsquos just forget about that border and focus on the film!%rdquo And he turns his eyes in another direction %ndash and there is another border-line. He becomes very frightened again, but yet not as frightened as the first time.
The boy starts to think. %ldquoIf there is a world outside the film, it%rsquos maybe not scary at all. Why should it be?%rdquo A shadow of a shadow of a memory of the better world where he actually lives reaches his mind and he starts to feel better. Still, he is too frightened to turn his head around to se what is really there. He starts to play with the border-line and as time goes by he becomes braver and braver. %ldquoIf I look, only very fast, just a little bit outside the border-line, what will happen? What will happen if I focus on the middle of the screen and try to perceive what is at the edges of my perception? If I dare to focus on a spot just outside the border-line, what will I perceive?
This boy is still playing with the border-line. Eventually he will become accustomed to the idea of the world outside the film and then he will be brave enough to just stand up and walk out of the cinema, but he has not accomplished that yet.

Mystress · Aug 04, 2006, 04:08:39 AM

: I did not read the arcticle.. your response just made me wonder:

Tommy, you think too much, and read selectively. You know this about yourself, and do it anyway.

I told you a few months ago, genuine compassion is spontaneous. The body acts before the mind has a chance to think about whether it is the right thing to do.

Zen Master has a silent mind and acts with perfection, without thinking. Without needing to think about what is the right thing to do... darma calls the shots. Dharma will know whether intervention is the right thing, and one who is fully surrendered to dharma will always do the right thing... whether that means action or inaction.

You don't get to that place by giving too much energy to thought and resistance. You get there by surrendering free will to Dharma. You find this larger Self, by losing your smaller self.

Blessings...

: If i see a man raping a woman, should i let him because he has free will? If i am present i can use my free will to stop him.. if i am not present, but i dont want anybody to be raped, then what?

: Im not trying to be lame or start a discussion, but i have been wondering about this for some time..

: I dont feel responsible for the actions of others directly maybe, but i would like to live in a world where men is "men of honor". I would like to live in a world where people could be safe. I guess a woman is responsible for being raped? maybe she has "bad karma" and was a rapist in a previous life.. i dont know?

: but what i mean is, is there anything above free will? .. divine will, love, peace? Is there a motive pure enough for "me/us" to violate the free will of others? I mean it is done all the time, manipulation in politics, tv etc. Is it not a violation if you win people over like Hitler did in the beginning?

: Hitler had every right to do what he did?, and his enemies had every right to stop him?. Is this survival of the fittest? or does the guy wearing the white cowboy-hat always win in the end?

: It seems as the neverending story doesn´t it. I guess i could loose myself in love and not suffer any hardships.. i would be free of this world. But i am starting to wonder if the world was ever meant to be free?

: What if i had enough power to turn all the guns of the world so the people firing them got killed or if i was "smart" enough to spot the bad seeds and anihilate them, would the world be safe then?

: from what i can absorbe from mystress´ teachings and goddes all solutions will be an ego game.. a the next volume of the never ending story.

: if i do as mentioned above, something else would happen ~ maybe it is better, maybe not.

: But if non-dualism is the only way "out" i can take myself beyond the game of life, i just wonder if the game of life is over before heaven is on earth.. or is the ideal of heaven on earth the reason that the game continues?

: how about the people who does not seem to want a peaceful world.. does the war not end before they change their mind.. or does it end when "enough" is anchorered in non-dualism and they have noone to fight except themselves.

: I guess my questions is more from an "evolution" point of view. It helped me alot in an earlier post where the same sort of question was roaming in me.. mystress answered that sometimes renovating her furniture was her reason for exsistence in that moment (maybe a very far fetched quote *sry*). What i understood from that was that it is not so much the reasoning i use to justify my excistence that matters.. more the prescence of the moment. The more reasoning i seek.. the less presence. (another nice never ending story *s*)

: I keep surrendering all my excistentialistic questions but they come back?! As i can sense it is because too much of my presence needs reason and i if i took the big plunge i would loose myself not find myself?

: It might be the case that i have not been present enough to find my own reason for exsistence.. but to an extend i think i have. Mostly my joy or love is not depending on things.. they just exsist, and there is no reason for them not to. But there must be an intelligence in presence, otherwise it is stupidity or psychosis, no? I mean it is false freedom.. i hide in my crown and when i get hurt i dont feel the pain.. not because i am free, just because i am not present.

: but is there a broader reason for being present than presence.. if there isnt, then Goddes plz flush me!! ... gently

: Inputs are treasured.. and i am aware that noone can answer for me, but a hint or a push in the right direction be nice.

: By the way i admire the people who can make themselves clear in lesser words than me

: Tommy

: : I disagree with these teachings.

: : Taking on responsibility for the way that other people use their free will, in my opinion, is disrespectful of their free will. If you take on responsibility for how I write this letter, lol, that is silly.

: : It is impossible to take on responsibility for choices that out of your control - the free will of others.

: : Trying to take on responsibility for everything is like trying to control, and leads to resistance.

:
: : Scott

Mystress · Aug 04, 2006, 04:20:35 AM

: These thought experiments are good. Think of them in terms of the matriarch if you can.

: In my response I was trying to make the point that taking responsibility alone will not end all of the cycles of birth and rebirth

LOL! Of course not, and who would want to? Buddhists, I know... but that desire is only valid if you think being alive is some kind of punishment and you have to earn a "get out of jail free" card. That is really the ultimate resistance to life itself, eh?

If you see existence and being alive as a precious gift then it all gets turned around.

When you die you will be asked to judge yourself: how well did you love? Every horror and pain in the world is there to give you the opportunity to choose to love or fear... and sometimes love will take the form of action and sometimes inaction, and maybe it will even be violent action like beating up a rapist... but since ego is made of fear and chooses fear, it works better to surrender free will itself, to love and let love and dharma decide what to do.

Blessings...

:thus there are some cases where it will not aid, or will even be resistance.

: I think taking it to the extreme would throw someone off balance. But the writer of that article didn't agree. I wonder if the difference could be DNA.

: Ultimatly I think it takes discernment on how to proceed.

: Scott

Tommy · Aug 04, 2006, 09:06:13 AM

Hi again

Thanks for the responses. What bothers me is that these questions/impulses does not come from my mind (atleast not the way it used to work).. i just use the mind to explain. When i had my monkey mind running all the time it was easy to spot and surrender. When i was stuck in my mind it was easy to spot, when my ego was in pain it was easy to spot, when my solar plexus was caved in i couldnt help noticing. These days i am not in my mind so much. I dont have pain. I dont need to know.. but still i am trying to find out from where these impulses flow.. and what to do with them.

Maybe a part of these impulses is the tao of the moment or dharma? and instead of riding the flow of karma i try to make a beliefsystem, a moral codex or something i can use to grab the whole concept with my mind.

Who knows? but it is a nice experience.. i have been so used to be a messed up individual, that i dont know how to deal with being levelheaded

But i will try giving up overthinking for a while and see how that unfolds..

~and read the article
thanks
Tommy
: : I did not read the arcticle.. your response just made me wonder:

: Tommy, you think too much, and read selectively. You know this about yourself, and do it anyway.

: I told you a few months ago, genuine compassion is spontaneous. The body acts before the mind has a chance to think about whether it is the right thing to do.

: Zen Master has a silent mind and acts with perfection, without thinking. Without needing to think about what is the right thing to do... darma calls the shots. Dharma will know whether intervention is the right thing, and one who is fully surrendered to dharma will always do the right thing... whether that means action or inaction.

: You don't get to that place by giving too much energy to thought and resistance. You get there by surrendering free will to Dharma. You find this larger Self, by losing your smaller self.

: Blessings...

: : If i see a man raping a woman, should i let him because he has free will? If i am present i can use my free will to stop him.. if i am not present, but i dont want anybody to be raped, then what?

: : Im not trying to be lame or start a discussion, but i have been wondering about this for some time..

: : I dont feel responsible for the actions of others directly maybe, but i would like to live in a world where men is "men of honor". I would like to live in a world where people could be safe. I guess a woman is responsible for being raped? maybe she has "bad karma" and was a rapist in a previous life.. i dont know?

: : but what i mean is, is there anything above free will? .. divine will, love, peace? Is there a motive pure enough for "me/us" to violate the free will of others? I mean it is done all the time, manipulation in politics, tv etc. Is it not a violation if you win people over like Hitler did in the beginning?

: : Hitler had every right to do what he did?, and his enemies had every right to stop him?. Is this survival of the fittest? or does the guy wearing the white cowboy-hat always win in the end?

: : It seems as the neverending story doesn´t it. I guess i could loose myself in love and not suffer any hardships.. i would be free of this world. But i am starting to wonder if the world was ever meant to be free?

: : What if i had enough power to turn all the guns of the world so the people firing them got killed or if i was "smart" enough to spot the bad seeds and anihilate them, would the world be safe then?

: : from what i can absorbe from mystress´ teachings and goddes all solutions will be an ego game.. a the next volume of the never ending story.

: : if i do as mentioned above, something else would happen ~ maybe it is better, maybe not.

: : But if non-dualism is the only way "out" i can take myself beyond the game of life, i just wonder if the game of life is over before heaven is on earth.. or is the ideal of heaven on earth the reason that the game continues?

: : how about the people who does not seem to want a peaceful world.. does the war not end before they change their mind.. or does it end when "enough" is anchorered in non-dualism and they have noone to fight except themselves.

: : I guess my questions is more from an "evolution" point of view. It helped me alot in an earlier post where the same sort of question was roaming in me.. mystress answered that sometimes renovating her furniture was her reason for exsistence in that moment (maybe a very far fetched quote *sry*). What i understood from that was that it is not so much the reasoning i use to justify my excistence that matters.. more the prescence of the moment. The more reasoning i seek.. the less presence. (another nice never ending story *s*)

: : I keep surrendering all my excistentialistic questions but they come back?! As i can sense it is because too much of my presence needs reason and i if i took the big plunge i would loose myself not find myself?

: : It might be the case that i have not been present enough to find my own reason for exsistence.. but to an extend i think i have. Mostly my joy or love is not depending on things.. they just exsist, and there is no reason for them not to. But there must be an intelligence in presence, otherwise it is stupidity or psychosis, no? I mean it is false freedom.. i hide in my crown and when i get hurt i dont feel the pain.. not because i am free, just because i am not present.

: : but is there a broader reason for being present than presence.. if there isnt, then Goddes plz flush me!! ... gently

: : Inputs are treasured.. and i am aware that noone can answer for me, but a hint or a push in the right direction be nice.

: : By the way i admire the people who can make themselves clear in lesser words than me

: : Tommy

: : : I disagree with these teachings.

: : : Taking on responsibility for the way that other people use their free will, in my opinion, is disrespectful of their free will. If you take on responsibility for how I write this letter, lol, that is silly.

: : : It is impossible to take on responsibility for choices that out of your control - the free will of others.

: : : Trying to take on responsibility for everything is like trying to control, and leads to resistance.

: :
: : : Scott

Scott E · Aug 05, 2006, 09:06:52 PM

Use of the intellect and use of the intuition are not really mutually exclusive.

Intuition really lies within the intellect. The intellect is where knowledge resides. If you know something through your intuition, then that knowing exists within the intellect, cuz that is what an intellect is. It knows stuff. Seperating them I don't think will work.

It is possible to learn something about reality that will stand the test of time. Applying it to something that it doesn't apply to doesn't help, and I think thats mostly what you are experiencing with the intellectual frustration.

Einstein did it. Einstein perceived that E=MC^2 and to my knowledge has not been disproven to this day.

Scott E

: As I perceive the situation, the intellect is limited by time and space and other "filters" which can never grasp the infinite reality and our relation to it. We learn a lot of concepts on the spiritual path, but they can only take us a bit further on our way; we will outgrow all of them in the end and they will have to be surrendered. From the highest perspective all is well and our task is just to %ndash intuitionally %ndash understand that and live in that reality.

Scott E · Aug 13, 2006, 09:43:44 AM

Aside from Buddhists, this man does say that he is responsible for all of the problems that others present to him. Sounds silly to me! N e wayz I don't buy what he is saying.

The criminally insane do have free will.

Scott

: : In my response I was trying to make the point that taking responsibility alone will not end all of the cycles of birth and rebirth

: LOL! Of course not, and who would want to? Buddhists, I know... but that desire is only valid if you think being alive is some kind of punishment and you have to earn a "get out of jail free" card. That is really the ultimate resistance to life itself, eh?

Mystress · Aug 16, 2006, 04:08:14 PM

Heh, you just don't understand Huna, and chakra levels. Here are some huna links to copy & paste:

http://www.hunainfo.com/seven.html
http://members.aol.com/CrystalOrd/hunaintr.htm
http://www.well-net.com/huna/hunaheal1.html

: Aside from Buddhists, this man does say that he is responsible for all of the problems that others present to him. Sounds silly to me! N e wayz I don't buy what he is saying.

: The criminally insane do have free will.

Heh. Legally, they don't.. "not guilty by reason of insanity."

The mysteries are best learned by experience, thus the verbal descriptions can cause confusion. You seem very unwilling to look at things from different chakra levels to see truth.. and lacking that experience, only seeing from ego you cannot understand, and judge wrongly.

When you go into Witness, you have no boundaries and see with a God's eye view. There is no "I" only being, and the being is Infinite. Thou art God-dess. Responsibility belongs to Goddess and from Witness you can see cause of suffering... and because you are all, you are cause of suffering... except in that place, the individual "I" does not exist.

When the Kahuna speaks of taking responsibility he is also, at once surrendering responsibility because it is his Infinite self that takes responsibility. "Goddess has it handled."

Blessings.

: Scott

: : : In my response I was trying to make the point that taking responsibility alone will not end all of the cycles of birth and rebirth

: : LOL! Of course not, and who would want to? Buddhists, I know... but that desire is only valid if you think being alive is some kind of punishment and you have to earn a "get out of jail free" card. That is really the ultimate resistance to life itself, eh?

Scott E · Aug 17, 2006, 05:39:11 PM

Mystress,

You indicated in the chakras essay that some people say that only the reality of the lower chakras can be taught, and not the upper ones.

I guess you disagree, since you are trying to teach it now.

Furthermore, I wonder if my time in this course should end soon. After reading your material for a few years I have noted a few contradictions in what you say. A few times I have found you saying something opposite to what you said in the past. Which makes me wonder if I should continue to regard this course as a worthy use of my time, even though I appreciate all of the help and time you have put into this course. It also makes me wonder if you yourself are making correct judgements as to the "cause of suffering".

Scott E

:
: Heh, you just don't understand Huna, and chakra levels. Here are some huna links to copy & paste:

: http://www.hunainfo.com/seven.html
: http://members.aol.com/CrystalOrd/hunaintr.htm
: http://www.well-net.com/huna/hunaheal1.html

: : Aside from Buddhists, this man does say that he is responsible for all of the problems that others present to him. Sounds silly to me! N e wayz I don't buy what he is saying.

: : The criminally insane do have free will.

: Heh. Legally, they don't.. "not guilty by reason of insanity."

: The mysteries are best learned by experience, thus the verbal descriptions can cause confusion. You seem very unwilling to look at things from different chakra levels to see truth.. and lacking that experience, only seeing from ego you cannot understand, and judge wrongly.

: When you go into Witness, you have no boundaries and see with a God's eye view. There is no "I" only being, and the being is Infinite. Thou art God-dess. Responsibility belongs to Goddess and from Witness you can see cause of suffering... and because you are all, you are cause of suffering... except in that place, the individual "I" does not exist.

: When the Kahuna speaks of taking responsibility he is also, at once surrendering responsibility because it is his Infinite self that takes responsibility. "Goddess has it handled."

: Blessings.

:

: : Scott

: : : : In my response I was trying to make the point that taking responsibility alone will not end all of the cycles of birth and rebirth

: : : LOL! Of course not, and who would want to? Buddhists, I know... but that desire is only valid if you think being alive is some kind of punishment and you have to earn a "get out of jail free" card. That is really the ultimate resistance to life itself, eh?

Mystress · Aug 18, 2006, 12:04:49 PM

: Mystress,

: You indicated in the chakras essay that some people say that only the reality of the lower chakras can be taught, and not the upper ones.

: I guess you disagree, since you are trying to teach it now.

The learning of Kundalini is experiential, and so is the teaching. The upper chakras cannot be defined, but they can be experienced and we can talk about the experiences even if the reality of them cannot be communicated wholly.

You did my chakra levels chat workshop right? So you know how to navigate the different chakra levels to experience the different views and perspectives they offer... and you know that the rules of the levels sometimes contradict each other.

I am puzzled at why you choose not to use that ability, why you have become so attached to the intellectual level, but it may be you don't remember... you took on karma and the soul travel siddhi became lost to you.

: Furthermore, I wonder if my time in this course should end soon. After reading your material for a few years I have noted a few contradictions in what you say. A few times I have found you saying something opposite to what you said in the past.

1.) I evolve and grow and sometimes change my mind about things. There is stuff in the K-list archives I no longer agree with.. even going through FST again and editing the lessons, some ideas have changed since 1999. Looking forward to getting the second edition of FST online!

2.) I may say one thing to one person and something else to another, depending on their circumstance and understanding.

3.) Different chakra levels have contradictory rules, so what I say from one chakra may contradict what I say from another.

Which makes me wonder if I should continue to regard this course as a worthy use of my time, even though I appreciate all of the help and time you have put into this course.

That is for you to decide... if you feel it is time to move on, then happy trails!

It also makes me wonder if you yourself are making correct judgements as to the "cause of suffering".

Well, you can wonder, or you can check your discernment, and know. Even if the heart voice is not opened you still get gut instinct. Everybody does, whether they are awake or not.

Blessings...

: Scott E

:
: :
: : Heh, you just don't understand Huna, and chakra levels. Here are some huna links to copy & paste:

: : http://www.hunainfo.com/seven.html
: : http://members.aol.com/CrystalOrd/hunaintr.htm
: : http://www.well-net.com/huna/hunaheal1.html

: : : Aside from Buddhists, this man does say that he is responsible for all of the problems that others present to him. Sounds silly to me! N e wayz I don't buy what he is saying.

: : : The criminally insane do have free will.

: : Heh. Legally, they don't.. "not guilty by reason of insanity."

: : The mysteries are best learned by experience, thus the verbal descriptions can cause confusion. You seem very unwilling to look at things from different chakra levels to see truth.. and lacking that experience, only seeing from ego you cannot understand, and judge wrongly.

: : When you go into Witness, you have no boundaries and see with a God's eye view. There is no "I" only being, and the being is Infinite. Thou art God-dess. Responsibility belongs to Goddess and from Witness you can see cause of suffering... and because you are all, you are cause of suffering... except in that place, the individual "I" does not exist.

: : When the Kahuna speaks of taking responsibility he is also, at once surrendering responsibility because it is his Infinite self that takes responsibility. "Goddess has it handled."

: : Blessings.

: :

: : : Scott

: : : : : In my response I was trying to make the point that taking responsibility alone will not end all of the cycles of birth and rebirth

: : : : LOL! Of course not, and who would want to? Buddhists, I know... but that desire is only valid if you think being alive is some kind of punishment and you have to earn a "get out of jail free" card. That is really the ultimate resistance to life itself, eh?

Scott E · Aug 19, 2006, 02:10:43 AM

: I am puzzled at why you choose not to use that ability, why you have become so attached to the intellectual level, but it may be you don't remember... you took on karma and the soul travel siddhi became lost to you.

I don't know how I am getting my karma. I thought it was transient in my experience of finding the boundaries.

I feel I still have the ability. Without it I would descend too far in every day experiences after I get pulled into the games of others. I get frustrated with looking for insights because I think sometimes people are making it too complicated and I don't want to live that way even though I can do it.

I think I know what the huna guy is saying and where he is getting his insights from, and I recall that I even practiced elements from the principles he had outlined, but I just disagree.

: 3.) Different chakra levels have contradictory rules, so what I say from one chakra may contradict what I say from another.

Yah I don't like this. This is a big problem I have. And I know you are doing it and I know you are pretty much right but I find it hard to live with all of the contradictions.

: Which makes me wonder if I should continue to regard this course as a worthy use of my time, even though I appreciate all of the help and time you have put into this course.

: That is for you to decide... if you feel it is time to move on, then happy trails!

I dunno I hope not!

Scott E · Sep 01, 2006, 05:49:31 PM

In the first site, this is where I think the author goes wrong. I got a feeling for what the author was saying, but I think that in the first 2 points the author traded the truth for trendy ideas.

1) The world is what you think it is

Most science proves that the world is not what was once thought to be true. The author is obviously incorrect. Everyone can probably provide a list of things which they believed to be true, but actually never were.

2) There are no limits: The three-dimensional body supported by the five senses is not real.

This is extremely contradictory to the first bullet point. According to the first point, if I think there are limits in the world, then there are.

In the other points, they seem more or less true to me but I never have really come across those things.

I like that they present #7. I really believe in that and I seem to have realized that by my own efforts.

Still even #7 is pretty dualistic. It only matters inside of the Game. Outside of the Game, I believe all actions are effective.

Insights welcome.

Cheers,
Scott

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: Heh, you just don't understand Huna, and chakra levels. Here are some huna links to copy & paste:

: http://www.hunainfo.com/seven.html
: http://members.aol.com/CrystalOrd/hunaintr.htm
: http://www.well-net.com/huna/hunaheal1.html

: : Aside from Buddhists, this man does say that he is responsible for all of the problems that others present to him. Sounds silly to me! N e wayz I don't buy what he is saying.

: : The criminally insane do have free will.

: Heh. Legally, they don't.. "not guilty by reason of insanity."

: The mysteries are best learned by experience, thus the verbal descriptions can cause confusion. You seem very unwilling to look at things from different chakra levels to see truth.. and lacking that experience, only seeing from ego you cannot understand, and judge wrongly.

: When you go into Witness, you have no boundaries and see with a God's eye view. There is no "I" only being, and the being is Infinite. Thou art God-dess. Responsibility belongs to Goddess and from Witness you can see cause of suffering... and because you are all, you are cause of suffering... except in that place, the individual "I" does not exist.

: When the Kahuna speaks of taking responsibility he is also, at once surrendering responsibility because it is his Infinite self that takes responsibility. "Goddess has it handled."

: Blessings.

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: : Scott

: : : : In my response I was trying to make the point that taking responsibility alone will not end all of the cycles of birth and rebirth

: : : LOL! Of course not, and who would want to? Buddhists, I know... but that desire is only valid if you think being alive is some kind of punishment and you have to earn a "get out of jail free" card. That is really the ultimate resistance to life itself, eh?