Lesson 1 / Evolution

[Ylva]

In the video, Mystress mentions 2 kinds of evolution:

Kundalini

or

Reproduction

Is it ~or~ or is it ~and?~

The reason I am asking is because I once saw some guys on tv that were interviewed about some immortality technique they claimed to practice, and they were saying how you can 'either have children or you can become a Christ'.

Also Castaneda mentions that parents permanently lose energy to their children, causing holes in their auras. Apparently the same-sex parent would lose the most energy. There was also a way to take it back, but then the child would get the holes instead.

I do not know if this is BS or not, but it's always been bugging me.

Does reproducing or not reproducing affect Kundalini in any way?

I do not have any children myself and it's only almost too late for it so I am curious.

[Gustaf]

I don't think it's that extreme really. It's a matter of where you put your focus. Anything can become a meditation, including children.

I'd say that parents who permanently loses energy to children are those who are not fed with energy from the universe, but only from other people, an ungrounded or unawakened state of energy.. From my  understanding, if you are fully grounded, there won't be any permanent holes anywhere, you can realize that there is nothing permanent with your form at all!  Energy holes, taking energy back, etc, kinda reminds you of the control dramas in Celestine Prophecy, doesn't it?   The only reason we have holes for any reason is because we either don't know that they are there, or we don't know how to replenish them from a higher source.

Another question is whether those people interviewed had the experience of being a Christ, or where they just talking from a dogma or belief-system? (More likely)

My discernment tells me clearly that having children will NOT hamper your spiritual growth. A child can become your greatest Sadhana. Putting your ego aside to assist in the flowering of a divine being.  

Most people that have children don't focus at all on spiritual growth, nor are they Kundalini awakened. In that place, children and family has become the primary focus. Then there are people who renounce the world. Most spiritual practictioners renounce the world.. They say that you can't have sex, you can't be married, you can't have children, you basically can't live with  other people except those who do the exact same thing..  
It's naturally ended up being that way, because in  most societies, spiritual pursuits have been impossible. In poor nations, like India for example, it's hard to live with a family and have any time or energy on your hand for anything else, so those who want to lead a spiritual life renounces and moves to an ashram somewhere..

But it becomes a duality, telling you that either you live in the world and are worldly, or you become spiritual and you renounce the world.  If that was the case, this tantra course wouldn't exist. We'd have to become monks all of us. (I was close to enter that path myself earlier in my life)

Tantra doesn't see it that way.  For most people, the Kundalini rests sleeping in the root chakra.. It's not awake.  It is not strange that Mystress picked this phrase to begin the classes!  The Root  chakra governs our instincts, among others, reproduction.  The majority of people live in the first two chakras, where energy mostly gears towards reproduction, family and gratification, without any insight of the higher chakras shining back to see more deeply into it..  Society you see basically is the first three chakras. Reproduce, enjoy yourself and have a career.   Nothing wrong with that, not at all.

If you wish to awaken Kundalini and discover something beyond that however, you need to focus your energy elsewere. When that becomes sincere enough, Shakti stirs.  That's how it happened for me. In fact it had very little to do with what meditation practices I did, or what path I followed.. Very little.  99.9% of it was my sincerity, how I felt so deeply and irrevocably in my being that there was something more to life than my little beliefs and fears and hangups, more to life than I had been told in TV or in schoolbooks.. It was the deep intensity that brought about the change in consciousness.

So if Kundalini rests in the root chakra, focusing your life on reproduction won't awaken her or take her anywhere. She'll keep sleeping, probably saying "Ah, ok she still wants to focus her energy on this dimension, I'll hit the snooze button then"

Generally when people say things like this about spirituality and the world, I've found it very helpful to put it into perspective... Those people practicing the immortality technique probably didn't have the experience of being immortal! Yet they were still preaching... Top-down awakened probably!   Castaneda also has to be put into perspective, which I mentioned earlier.

There are also those saying that marriage is a blockage or hindrance to your spiritual path. It can be, if marriage is the highest focus of your life.  Marriage can also become a Sadhana. Kimberly and I become mirrors, we reflect each other's karma and issues, and we stay conscious and present for the other, remind each other and instead of a hindrance it becomes something that -accelerates- spiritual evolution.   A marriage where everything is an endless power drama is a stuck place.  Having a child, with the bond of energy that follows, and then not knowing how to replenish yourself from a higher source, also leaves you in a stuck place.

I very much doubt that Mystress is saying you have to give up any notion or having children if you want to awaken Kundalini or enhance your awakening. My understanding of it is that she is speaking in an energetic perspective. Where do you focus it?

So what's the trick?

Feed yourself from the higher source. Something tells me you can have some pretty incredible children incarnating if you do...

Namaste
Gustaf

: In the video, Mystress mentions 2 kinds of evolution:

: Kundalini

: or

: Reproduction

: Is it ~or~ or is it ~and?~

: The reason I am asking is because I once saw some guys on tv that were interviewed about some immortality technique they claimed to practice, and they were saying how you can 'either have children or you can become a Christ'.

: Also Castaneda mentions that parents permanently lose energy to their children, causing holes in their auras. Apparently the same-sex parent would lose the most energy. There was also a way to take it back, but then the child would get the holes instead.

: I do not know if this is BS or not, but it's always been bugging me.

:
: Does reproducing or not reproducing affect Kundalini in any way?

: I do not have any children myself and it's only almost too late for it so I am curious.

[Gustaf]

I'd like to add something more. It's a good topic that you have started, and I am getting many personal insights about it that I didn't have before!

What does -your- heartvoice tell you about children? Will they hinder you or will they for you be a co-growth with another expression of Goddess?   My own heartvoice resonated deeply with Celestine Prophecy where they talked about having one child, so he/she can be nourished and given Goddess energy freely, and not get conditioned at an early age that he/she has to compete for energy (and thus likely shut down connection to source)  But this may not resonate for everybody..

I feel both dread and joy about the idea of having a child. So I've surrendered it to Goddess, all of it.  If I end up having a child, it will be in my greatest good, if not, it will also be in my greatest good. Either way, it will be a gift, I will not fight with it.

Maybe it is in fact the opposite to what the immortality preachers say?  If more awakened folks had children, we'd slowly be assisting Mother Earth to become a more peaceful place?

It's got nothing to do with what one or other esoteric text says.  For some it may be true, for others it may not be.. Besides, if you are already  awakened, it doesn't matter in the same way. So many things that could have been hindrances, now become gifts.

I've had a top-down view myself before I was awakened, and my lower chakras started being cleared.. My root chakra cleared on its own, but my second chakra has had a lot of karmic issues around it.. Back then, it looked "dirty" and "lower"  Anything having to do with sex, family, children or the world seemed like something for lower beings (not an uncommon top-down perspective when the lower chakras are not cleared!)

Now it appears quite different!  Bringing a child into your life may mean having a fully open and enlightened being in your family, overflowing with  energy and creativity...  Would you as a parent be open to the child to receive its gifts?  Heck, no wonder parents end up with big gaping holes if it all boils down to conditioning the children, forcing beliefs onto them, treating them as possessions.. Then those children will be like a conduit for constant karmic feedback on the parent.

My Divine Beloved is having a good gigglefit about the "immortality technique"  We are immortal already! What's the fuss? If being a Christ means I'd have to give up the beautiful expression of Life and following a list of dogmatic restrictions, then I am not sure what a Christ is, or if I'd want to be one...   Not the Christ they talk about at least.

Namaste!
Gustaf

[Ylva]

Looks like this topic is bringing up a lot of insights for you then.

I don't know, I just keep wondering why I don't seem to have this overwhelming ~urge~ to have kids, like most women seem to.

At the age of 35, you'd think the biological clock would have kicked in by now.

There is this notion that you are not a 'real' woman unless you have children. It seems strange to me, I feel I am as real as I can get, just being me. However real any of this is anyway.

I just never had a sense that it would become the ultimate fulfilment. I always thought there was something else, something more. Something whispering to me on the wind.

Of course I can't speak of what I have never experienced, but I was surprised to find that some of my friends don't seem to have become much happier after having children. Especially after all their claims that I was missing out. Like it was just another choice that didn't make any real deep difference.

----------

: I'd like to add something more. It's a good topic that you have started, and I am getting many personal insights about it that I didn't have before!

[Mystress]

  You two are fun! Nice to read your discussions.

 I have known women who became awakened through childbirth!

  It is not either-or, but it is common for K to quiet down with children, especially when they are small and dependent on your energy for nourishment. The Shakti goes to them not to you. Some folks find their kids are their best Gurus, they are egoless before age 2.

  Holes in the aura are BS.

  Blessings!

: In the video, Mystress mentions 2 kinds of evolution:

: Kundalini

: or

: Reproduction

: Is it ~or~ or is it ~and?~

: The reason I am asking is because I once saw some guys on tv that were interviewed about some immortality technique they claimed to practice, and they were saying how you can 'either have children or you can become a Christ'.

: Also Castaneda mentions that parents permanently lose energy to their children, causing holes in their auras. Apparently the same-sex parent would lose the most energy. There was also a way to take it back, but then the child would get the holes instead.

: I do not know if this is BS or not, but it's always been bugging me.

:
: Does reproducing or not reproducing affect Kundalini in any way?

: I do not have any children myself and it's only almost too late for it so I am curious.

[b0b]

Hi! :-)  Just some of my own observations.
Castaneda does say this, but then goes on to explain how you can recover that energy from those same children.

I have five children. Three of my own and two from  my girlfriends previous marriage.  They have in fact ADDED to my spiritual experience and bring much more energy in than they take. If you are able to keep things straight and love them like all else in your life, unselfish love. Then there should be no problems.  Would we rather have the Human race cease to exist so that we can all aceheive spiritual enlightenment? I think not, and could never believe that God/Goddess would ever want or expect that from us either.

Love and Light!

b0b

: In the video, Mystress mentions 2 kinds of evolution:

: Kundalini

: or

: Reproduction

: Is it ~or~ or is it ~and?~

: The reason I am asking is because I once saw some guys on tv that were interviewed about some immortality technique they claimed to practice, and they were saying how you can 'either have children or you can become a Christ'.

: Also Castaneda mentions that parents permanently lose energy to their children, causing holes in their auras. Apparently the same-sex parent would lose the most energy. There was also a way to take it back, but then the child would get the holes instead.

: I do not know if this is BS or not, but it's always been bugging me.

:
: Does reproducing or not reproducing affect Kundalini in any way?

: I do not have any children myself and it's only almost too late for it so I am curious.