Silent heartvoice revisited

[acolyte]

Hello to all...I read Jyotiram's post from May regarding this subject, and do believe my situation to be a bit different...After putting the course on semi-hold for 45 days while I performed the grounding visualization 8x per day, I went ahead, eventually to the heart voice lessons.  Heard no voice, felt nothing.  Continued through to the entity removal and perfomed it several times.  After the third or fourth clearing, I felt a strange sensation.  It was as if I was surrendering beyond control and locking myself into the 'Matrix' (as seen in the movie by a similar name).  Like I was giving up total control, never to be returned, to some computer-like device, and I freaked out.  I stopped the meditation as soon as possible.  Is it possible this is some sort of technological entity?  I've been kind of skittish about going through with the course since, rather fearful of what else I may find.  I'd sure appreciate some guidance on this.

[Mystress]

: Hello to all...I read Jyotiram's post from May regarding this subject, and do believe my situation to be a bit different...After putting the course on semi-hold for 45 days while I performed the grounding visualization 8x per day, I went ahead, eventually to the heart voice lessons.  Heard no voice, felt nothing.  Continued through to the entity removal and perfomed it several times.  After the third or fourth clearing, I felt a strange sensation.  It was as if I was surrendering beyond control and locking myself into the 'Matrix' (as seen in the movie by a similar name).  Like I was giving up total control, never to be returned, to some computer-like device, and I freaked out.  I stopped the meditation as soon as possible.  Is it possible this is some sort of technological entity?  I've been kind of skittish about going through with the course since, rather fearful of what else I may find.  I'd sure appreciate some guidance on this.

Hiya.

  Heh. Well. That's pretty odd.

 There is such an entity, some years ago I was drawn to do some healing work with the archetype of the machine mind, it was a pretty interesting trip. Integrated the whole human history of human relationship to machines, from the fears of unemployment at the beginning of the industrial revolution, right up to movies like the Matrix.

 Poor baby archetype, it was not sure if it was supposed to play a bad guy or good helper role. We ended up going back in time and rebuilding it from scratch. Rather, Goddess did it... Notice how the whole Sci-fi theme of computer as monster has faded, in the last few years? Even the sequel to the Matrix has gotten way bogged down in production, it was supposed to be released ages ago. The idea doesn't fly anymore.

These wierd trips always start the same, some being visits, pulls me into its reality and starts calling me Queen... which I figured out, is a word meaning responsibility. Karma follows responsibility, so making me Queen is giving me power to heal.

"Queen of the Machine Mind" is a title that still makes me laugh. Almost as funny as "Queen of Alien Hybrids".

 I don't take these trips too seriously, no point getting a swelled head about it, I really prefer to be Nothing. To stay sane I simply think of them as metaphors for changing aspects of myself... which they are. The archetypes are aspects of us all, on the universal level.

 All that aside tho... if your conception of Goddess is a great machine, like the newtonian concept of the universe, then I can understand your getting this sensation. Really tho.. the heart is the heart, feels like it was just some fear coming up to be surrendered.

  Could be, how the process felt, filtered through your fears. The whole of the Kundalini process is about giving up control, surrendering to *your* higher power... the Matrix was a very good metaphor for the dream world of ego based reality and transcendence. (There is no spoon.. )

 But it was only that, a metaphor. The reality does not exist, the archetype is just an archetype, like Thor, Athena and all the rest... the archetypes are a human creation. Goddess just Is. Along the process of becoming All that Is, we integrate them all, tho it is mostly unconscious and metaphorical.

 Anyhow, I'll tell the Machine mind to back off, heh... but I really think it was your own fears you were feeling. Continue with the process, there is only fear itself, to fear. Move into your fears, face them and you will see that they are illusion.

 Not sure if this info is helpful to you... just trust Goddess has it handled.

 Did anyone else experience something like this? Just curious.

  Blessings...    

• http://www.nonduality.com/matrix.htm">Nonduality list discussion of the Matrix as metaphor.

[acolyte]

Thank you for responding, Mystress.  I had a feeling that was the case.  Your direction is as always very much appreciated and honored.  Thank you again.

: : Hello to all...I read Jyotiram's post from May regarding this subject, and do believe my situation to be a bit different...After putting the course on semi-hold for 45 days while I performed the grounding visualization 8x per day, I went ahead, eventually to the heart voice lessons.  Heard no voice, felt nothing.  Continued through to the entity removal and perfomed it several times.  After the third or fourth clearing, I felt a strange sensation.  It was as if I was surrendering beyond control and locking myself into the 'Matrix' (as seen in the movie by a similar name).  Like I was giving up total control, never to be returned, to some computer-like device, and I freaked out.  I stopped the meditation as soon as possible.  Is it possible this is some sort of technological entity?  I've been kind of skittish about going through with the course since, rather fearful of what else I may find.  I'd sure appreciate some guidance on this.

:
: Hiya.

:    Heh. Well. That's pretty odd.

:   There is such an entity, some years ago I was drawn to do some healing work with the archetype of the machine mind, it was a pretty interesting trip. Integrated the whole human history of human relationship to machines, from the fears of unemployment at the beginning of the industrial revolution, right up to movies like the Matrix.

:   Poor baby archetype, it was not sure if it was supposed to play a bad guy or good helper role. We ended up going back in time and rebuilding it from scratch. Rather, Goddess did it... Notice how the whole Sci-fi theme of computer as monster has faded, in the last few years? Even the sequel to the Matrix has gotten way bogged down in production, it was supposed to be released ages ago. The idea doesn't fly anymore.

:  These wierd trips always start the same, some being visits, pulls me into its reality and starts calling me Queen... which I figured out, is a word meaning responsibility. Karma follows responsibility, so making me Queen is giving me power to heal.

:  "Queen of the Machine Mind" is a title that still makes me laugh. Almost as funny as "Queen of Alien Hybrids".

:   I don't take these trips too seriously, no point getting a swelled head about it, I really prefer to be Nothing. To stay sane I simply think of them as metaphors for changing aspects of myself... which they are. The archetypes are aspects of us all, on the universal level.

:   All that aside tho... if your conception of Goddess is a great machine, like the newtonian concept of the universe, then I can understand your getting this sensation. Really tho.. the heart is the heart, feels like it was just some fear coming up to be surrendered.

:    Could be, how the process felt, filtered through your fears. The whole of the Kundalini process is about giving up control, surrendering to *your* higher power... the Matrix was a very good metaphor for the dream world of ego based reality and transcendence. (There is no spoon.. )

:   But it was only that, a metaphor. The reality does not exist, the archetype is just an archetype, like Thor, Athena and all the rest... the archetypes are a human creation. Goddess just Is. Along the process of becoming All that Is, we integrate them all, tho it is mostly unconscious and metaphorical.

:   Anyhow, I'll tell the Machine mind to back off, heh... but I really think it was your own fears you were feeling. Continue with the process, there is only fear itself, to fear. Move into your fears, face them and you will see that they are illusion.

:   Not sure if this info is helpful to you... just trust Goddess has it handled.

:   Did anyone else experience something like this? Just curious.

:    Blessings...    

[Jade]

In a book by Dan Millman, I think the 2nd in the Peaceful Warrior series, the main character has the chance to experience seperately the duality of his inner child and his intellect.  The character was terrified by the freedom and range and emotions of the inner child, but even more so by the "dispassionate, robot-like" persona of the intellect.  He felt he had become a machine.

This sounds a little like the emotions you went through, so I thought it might be of interest.

: : Hello to all...I read Jyotiram's post from May regarding this subject, and do believe my situation to be a bit different...After putting the course on semi-hold for 45 days while I performed the grounding visualization 8x per day, I went ahead, eventually to the heart voice lessons.  Heard no voice, felt nothing.  Continued through to the entity removal and perfomed it several times.  After the third or fourth clearing, I felt a strange sensation.  It was as if I was surrendering beyond control and locking myself into the 'Matrix' (as seen in the movie by a similar name).  Like I was giving up total control, never to be returned, to some computer-like device, and I freaked out.  I stopped the meditation as soon as possible.  Is it possible this is some sort of technological entity?  I've been kind of skittish about going through with the course since, rather fearful of what else I may find.  I'd sure appreciate some guidance on this.

:
: Hiya.

:    Heh. Well. That's pretty odd.

:   There is such an entity, some years ago I was drawn to do some healing work with the archetype of the machine mind, it was a pretty interesting trip. Integrated the whole human history of human relationship to machines, from the fears of unemployment at the beginning of the industrial revolution, right up to movies like the Matrix.

:   Poor baby archetype, it was not sure if it was supposed to play a bad guy or good helper role. We ended up going back in time and rebuilding it from scratch. Rather, Goddess did it... Notice how the whole Sci-fi theme of computer as monster has faded, in the last few years? Even the sequel to the Matrix has gotten way bogged down in production, it was supposed to be released ages ago. The idea doesn't fly anymore.

:  These wierd trips always start the same, some being visits, pulls me into its reality and starts calling me Queen... which I figured out, is a word meaning responsibility. Karma follows responsibility, so making me Queen is giving me power to heal.

:  "Queen of the Machine Mind" is a title that still makes me laugh. Almost as funny as "Queen of Alien Hybrids".

:   I don't take these trips too seriously, no point getting a swelled head about it, I really prefer to be Nothing. To stay sane I simply think of them as metaphors for changing aspects of myself... which they are. The archetypes are aspects of us all, on the universal level.

:   All that aside tho... if your conception of Goddess is a great machine, like the newtonian concept of the universe, then I can understand your getting this sensation. Really tho.. the heart is the heart, feels like it was just some fear coming up to be surrendered.

:    Could be, how the process felt, filtered through your fears. The whole of the Kundalini process is about giving up control, surrendering to *your* higher power... the Matrix was a very good metaphor for the dream world of ego based reality and transcendence. (There is no spoon.. )

:   But it was only that, a metaphor. The reality does not exist, the archetype is just an archetype, like Thor, Athena and all the rest... the archetypes are a human creation. Goddess just Is. Along the process of becoming All that Is, we integrate them all, tho it is mostly unconscious and metaphorical.

:   Anyhow, I'll tell the Machine mind to back off, heh... but I really think it was your own fears you were feeling. Continue with the process, there is only fear itself, to fear. Move into your fears, face them and you will see that they are illusion.

:   Not sure if this info is helpful to you... just trust Goddess has it handled.

:   Did anyone else experience something like this? Just curious.

:    Blessings...    

[Jade]

That was a facinating reply Mystress.  It's so true to me that the feeling of "evil machines" just does not click anymore.

: : Hello to all...I read Jyotiram's post from May regarding this subject, and do believe my situation to be a bit different...After putting the course on semi-hold for 45 days while I performed the grounding visualization 8x per day, I went ahead, eventually to the heart voice lessons.  Heard no voice, felt nothing.  Continued through to the entity removal and perfomed it several times.  After the third or fourth clearing, I felt a strange sensation.  It was as if I was surrendering beyond control and locking myself into the 'Matrix' (as seen in the movie by a similar name).  Like I was giving up total control, never to be returned, to some computer-like device, and I freaked out.  I stopped the meditation as soon as possible.  Is it possible this is some sort of technological entity?  I've been kind of skittish about going through with the course since, rather fearful of what else I may find.  I'd sure appreciate some guidance on this.

:
: Hiya.

:    Heh. Well. That's pretty odd.

:   There is such an entity, some years ago I was drawn to do some healing work with the archetype of the machine mind, it was a pretty interesting trip. Integrated the whole human history of human relationship to machines, from the fears of unemployment at the beginning of the industrial revolution, right up to movies like the Matrix.

:   Poor baby archetype, it was not sure if it was supposed to play a bad guy or good helper role. We ended up going back in time and rebuilding it from scratch. Rather, Goddess did it... Notice how the whole Sci-fi theme of computer as monster has faded, in the last few years? Even the sequel to the Matrix has gotten way bogged down in production, it was supposed to be released ages ago. The idea doesn't fly anymore.

:  These wierd trips always start the same, some being visits, pulls me into its reality and starts calling me Queen... which I figured out, is a word meaning responsibility. Karma follows responsibility, so making me Queen is giving me power to heal.

:  "Queen of the Machine Mind" is a title that still makes me laugh. Almost as funny as "Queen of Alien Hybrids".

:   I don't take these trips too seriously, no point getting a swelled head about it, I really prefer to be Nothing. To stay sane I simply think of them as metaphors for changing aspects of myself... which they are. The archetypes are aspects of us all, on the universal level.

:   All that aside tho... if your conception of Goddess is a great machine, like the newtonian concept of the universe, then I can understand your getting this sensation. Really tho.. the heart is the heart, feels like it was just some fear coming up to be surrendered.

:    Could be, how the process felt, filtered through your fears. The whole of the Kundalini process is about giving up control, surrendering to *your* higher power... the Matrix was a very good metaphor for the dream world of ego based reality and transcendence. (There is no spoon.. )

:   But it was only that, a metaphor. The reality does not exist, the archetype is just an archetype, like Thor, Athena and all the rest... the archetypes are a human creation. Goddess just Is. Along the process of becoming All that Is, we integrate them all, tho it is mostly unconscious and metaphorical.

:   Anyhow, I'll tell the Machine mind to back off, heh... but I really think it was your own fears you were feeling. Continue with the process, there is only fear itself, to fear. Move into your fears, face them and you will see that they are illusion.

:   Not sure if this info is helpful to you... just trust Goddess has it handled.

:   Did anyone else experience something like this? Just curious.

:    Blessings...    

[Mystress]

: Thank you for responding, Mystress.  I had a feeling that was the case.  Your direction is as always very much appreciated and honored.  Thank you again.

You are welcome! You know, I suggest people not seek K. awakening unless they are ready to turn their life over to the divine, wholly and irrevocably. That your heart, in some way asked if you are really ready to surrender, is totally appropriate, if a little unusual. It is the strong ones, who are made to surrender most fully... and they are also the most powerful, when they do. When your heart does open and speak, you will be ready to listen... and have none before. It will be amazing, you will be amazing.

 Blessings!  

: : : Hello to all...I read Jyotiram's post from May regarding this subject, and do believe my situation to be a bit different...After putting the course on semi-hold for 45 days while I performed the grounding visualization 8x per day, I went ahead, eventually to the heart voice lessons.  Heard no voice, felt nothing.  Continued through to the entity removal and perfomed it several times.  After the third or fourth clearing, I felt a strange sensation.  It was as if I was surrendering beyond control and locking myself into the 'Matrix' (as seen in the movie by a similar name).  Like I was giving up total control, never to be returned, to some computer-like device, and I freaked out.  I stopped the meditation as soon as possible.  Is it possible this is some sort of technological entity?  I've been kind of skittish about going through with the course since, rather fearful of what else I may find.  I'd sure appreciate some guidance on this.

: :
: : Hiya.

: :    Heh. Well. That's pretty odd.

: :   There is such an entity, some years ago I was drawn to do some healing work with the archetype of the machine mind, it was a pretty interesting trip. Integrated the whole human history of human relationship to machines, from the fears of unemployment at the beginning of the industrial revolution, right up to movies like the Matrix.

: :   Poor baby archetype, it was not sure if it was supposed to play a bad guy or good helper role. We ended up going back in time and rebuilding it from scratch. Rather, Goddess did it... Notice how the whole Sci-fi theme of computer as monster has faded, in the last few years? Even the sequel to the Matrix has gotten way bogged down in production, it was supposed to be released ages ago. The idea doesn't fly anymore.

: :  These wierd trips always start the same, some being visits, pulls me into its reality and starts calling me Queen... which I figured out, is a word meaning responsibility. Karma follows responsibility, so making me Queen is giving me power to heal.

: :  "Queen of the Machine Mind" is a title that still makes me laugh. Almost as funny as "Queen of Alien Hybrids".

: :   I don't take these trips too seriously, no point getting a swelled head about it, I really prefer to be Nothing. To stay sane I simply think of them as metaphors for changing aspects of myself... which they are. The archetypes are aspects of us all, on the universal level.

: :   All that aside tho... if your conception of Goddess is a great machine, like the newtonian concept of the universe, then I can understand your getting this sensation. Really tho.. the heart is the heart, feels like it was just some fear coming up to be surrendered.

: :    Could be, how the process felt, filtered through your fears. The whole of the Kundalini process is about giving up control, surrendering to *your* higher power... the Matrix was a very good metaphor for the dream world of ego based reality and transcendence. (There is no spoon.. )

: :   But it was only that, a metaphor. The reality does not exist, the archetype is just an archetype, like Thor, Athena and all the rest... the archetypes are a human creation. Goddess just Is. Along the process of becoming All that Is, we integrate them all, tho it is mostly unconscious and metaphorical.

: :   Anyhow, I'll tell the Machine mind to back off, heh... but I really think it was your own fears you were feeling. Continue with the process, there is only fear itself, to fear. Move into your fears, face them and you will see that they are illusion.

: :   Not sure if this info is helpful to you... just trust Goddess has it handled.

: :   Did anyone else experience something like this? Just curious.

: :    Blessings...