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Title: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: edward on Mar 21, 2007, 08:01:18 AM

Folks,

I have a little annoyance that challenges my usually harmonic existence.

My problem is that I have a boss who seems to project onto everybody every issue about himself.

It%rsquos seems like he has chosen me to be some kind of a scapegoat. I think it%rsquos because of jealousy, fear and admiration + a lot of projections.

Anyway, this boss keeps blaming me for stuff which is clearly his own responsibility to handle. He behaves like a spoiled child around me, and even the other managers have said to me that they think he%rsquos a moron.

And then we get all of this power game stuff, and I don%rsquot want to be a engage in that.

I don%rsquot know how to cope with this.

I do know that it's a gift from Goddess, but this is very well wrapped in shit.


Insights are welcome!


Eddie





Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Pete on Mar 21, 2007, 07:55:56 PM
Eddie,

I'm not sure that I'm qualified to offer any help, but here are some things you can do to ensure that your ass is covered should the need arise.  That way if anything comes up, you've got plenty of evidence in your favor.  These kinds of things saved one of my friends his job (while working for a 'moron').

1) log interactions with your boss in a notebook: date, time, content of interaction
2) save and keep records of everything else that you do at your job, communications, assignments, etc.
3) make allies w/ his boss and his peers (looks like you're already doing this one)

If I was trying to make the interaction more bearable, I might:
a) imagine myself as a mirror to reflect the shit back towards him
b) try to be clear and empty let it pass through me without it finding anything to hold onto

Dunno if that stuff is worth anything or if it's nebulous b.s.  All the best and

warm regards,
Pete


:
: Folks,

: I have a little annoyance that challenges my usually harmonic existence.

: My problem is that I have a boss who seems to project onto everybody every issue about himself.

: It%rsquos seems like he has chosen me to be some kind of a scapegoat. I think it%rsquos because of jealousy, fear and admiration + a lot of projections.

: Anyway, this boss keeps blaming me for stuff which is clearly his own responsibility to handle. He behaves like a spoiled child around me, and even the other managers have said to me that they think he%rsquos a moron.

: And then we get all of this power game stuff, and I don%rsquot want to be a engage in that.

: I don%rsquot know how to cope with this.

: I do know that it's a gift from Goddess, but this is very well wrapped in shit.

:
: Insights are welcome!

:
: Eddie





Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Mystress on Mar 22, 2007, 12:07:13 AM

Hey Eddie:

  Welcome to my world. People have been acting like that towards me, since I was 5 years old. Eventually you learn to accept it, but sometimes it still hurts.

 Remember that chat a few weeks ago? You said it was me doing it, I say the same to Vyana.

I've been working on an essay on the topic. Channelling isights for others, I get to read them for myself, too.

 What has come up, is this:
http://www.hooponopono.org

 Give a try, tell me how it goes... Blessings..

:
: Folks,

: I have a little annoyance that challenges my usually harmonic existence.

: My problem is that I have a boss who seems to project onto everybody every issue about himself.

: It%rsquos seems like he has chosen me to be some kind of a scapegoat. I think it%rsquos because of jealousy, fear and admiration + a lot of projections.

: Anyway, this boss keeps blaming me for stuff which is clearly his own responsibility to handle. He behaves like a spoiled child around me, and even the other managers have said to me that they think he%rsquos a moron.

: And then we get all of this power game stuff, and I don%rsquot want to be a engage in that.

: I don%rsquot know how to cope with this.

: I do know that it's a gift from Goddess, but this is very well wrapped in shit.

:
: Insights are welcome!

:
: Eddie





Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Vyana on Mar 22, 2007, 11:54:23 AM
It might just be a limiting belief, but to me it seems that stuff related to bullying is persistent and difficult to surrender. I am practicing sat kriya from kundalini-yoga in an attempt to clean out the stuff from my lower chakras that makes me create this. An insight that has come up several times the last few months is that bullying is basically a childish reaction. It is the way immature people react to people they perceive as more mature. It is as a child attacking a grown-up. Somehow the bully (child) thinks that it is all the targets (the grow-ups) fault, just because he/she is grown up. And basically this might be true. Somehow the target should be mature and skilled enough to handle the situation and get the bully back to his senses %ndash like a grown-up making a child understand that what the child is doing is wrong.

:
: Hey Eddie:

:    Welcome to my world. People have been acting like that towards me, since I was 5 years old. Eventually you learn to accept it, but sometimes it still hurts.

:   Remember that chat a few weeks ago? You said it was me doing it, I say the same to Vyana.

:  I've been working on an essay on the topic. Channelling isights for others, I get to read them for myself, too.
:    
:   What has come up, is this:
: http://www.hooponopono.org

:   Give a try, tell me how it goes... Blessings..

: :
: : Folks,

: : I have a little annoyance that challenges my usually harmonic existence.

: : My problem is that I have a boss who seems to project onto everybody every issue about himself.

: : It%rsquos seems like he has chosen me to be some kind of a scapegoat. I think it%rsquos because of jealousy, fear and admiration + a lot of projections.

: : Anyway, this boss keeps blaming me for stuff which is clearly his own responsibility to handle. He behaves like a spoiled child around me, and even the other managers have said to me that they think he%rsquos a moron.

: : And then we get all of this power game stuff, and I don%rsquot want to be a engage in that.

: : I don%rsquot know how to cope with this.

: : I do know that it's a gift from Goddess, but this is very well wrapped in shit.

: :
: : Insights are welcome!

: :
: : Eddie






Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Mystress on Mar 22, 2007, 08:25:18 PM
Yup, you are getting closer! Childish pride and an insistence on being right makes all the resistance.

 I did a funny thing last night. I practiced the ho'ooponopono forgiveness on everything related to my bullying being a dartboard for my pagan group the last two years and anything else that came up going back to childhood.. ended up laughing at myself, at lot! Oh the childish ego stuff that came raar shaking fists to keep its illusions of separation and be right abiut its victimhood. Got to know the meaning of the weak points of my spine a whole lot better. Goddess please forgive me, for all that too. In my arrogance I damaged Your vessel, this amazing body you gave me. I am sorry.

 The last thing I did before falling asleep, was to ask to swap internet addiction for the yoga addiction I had before getting online.

hehehehe.... it is working, I would rather be doing a downward dog stretch than write more about my experience... but I think my body has hit its limit for today. Wow it felt good..  

 Be an adult. Take responsibility. Total, because what you see really is yourself reflected, and you have to change inside of yourself. Admit you fucked up, and someone got hurt, ask Goddess to forgive you... even if you have not a clue what you did wrong, and to have to apologise doesn't seem fair at all. Grow up.

 You can be right, or you can admit you did things wrong, apologise to Goddess and be whole.

 Try it. Let go of limiting beliefs, and childish pride. Ask Goddess to forgive you for all the dumb stupid defensive prideful things you did to contribute to the situation, get people so hurt and pissed. Forgive you for all the wrong things you did that caused the situation, even if you have not the slightest idea what they are.  Ask to be forgiven for all the knowing or unknowing times your thoughts or actions hurt people, or hurt yourself, or offended "Free Will is Goddess Law" dharma. Pray for it to be made right, as Goddess wills.

 You will find, that once you accept responsibility and start asking forgiveness, a lot of wayward guilt feelings will show up. More to process. You don't have to know what event the feelings are about. Ask Goddess to forgive that too, whatever it is. To cleanse and repair the wrongness you did, make it whole, restore the Dharma.

 You don't have to forgive other people, or ask forgiveness on their behalf. It is all internal. Pray to be forgiven for your part in the creation of how things are, for whatever you did to cause the hurt you see in them.

http://hooponopono.org/Articles/could_a_kahuna.html

http://hooponopono.org/Articles/the_marriage.html

 Funny, ya know... I learned this stuff from Tad James in... 1992? Used it a lot, for a while then completely forgot about it... but, Goddess has been bringing it to my attention persistently... It is the missing piece...

  thanks, you guys... :) Blessings...


: It might just be a limiting belief, but to me it seems that stuff related to bullying is persistent and difficult to surrender. I am practicing sat kriya from kundalini-yoga in an attempt to clean out the stuff from my lower chakras that makes me create this. An insight that has come up several times the last few months is that bullying is basically a childish reaction. It is the way immature people react to people they perceive as more mature. It is as a child attacking a grown-up. Somehow the bully (child) thinks that it is all the targets (the grow-ups) fault, just because he/she is grown up. And basically this might be true. Somehow the target should be mature and skilled enough to handle the situation and get the bully back to his senses %ndash like a grown-up making a child understand that what the child is doing is wrong.

: :
: : Hey Eddie:

: :    Welcome to my world. People have been acting like that towards me, since I was 5 years old. Eventually you learn to accept it, but sometimes it still hurts.

: :   Remember that chat a few weeks ago? You said it was me doing it, I say the same to Vyana.

: :  I've been working on an essay on the topic. Channelling isights for others, I get to read them for myself, too.
: :    
: :   What has come up, is this:
: : http://www.hooponopono.org

: :   Give a try, tell me how it goes... Blessings..

: : :
: : : Folks,

: : : I have a little annoyance that challenges my usually harmonic existence.

: : : My problem is that I have a boss who seems to project onto everybody every issue about himself.

: : : It%rsquos seems like he has chosen me to be some kind of a scapegoat. I think it%rsquos because of jealousy, fear and admiration + a lot of projections.

: : : Anyway, this boss keeps blaming me for stuff which is clearly his own responsibility to handle. He behaves like a spoiled child around me, and even the other managers have said to me that they think he%rsquos a moron.

: : : And then we get all of this power game stuff, and I don%rsquot want to be a engage in that.

: : : I don%rsquot know how to cope with this.

: : : I do know that it's a gift from Goddess, but this is very well wrapped in shit.

: : :
: : : Insights are welcome!

: : :
: : : Eddie







Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Vyana on Mar 22, 2007, 09:39:15 PM
Please Goddess take my limiting beliefs and childish pride regarding bullying. They are all yours.

Please forgive me for all the dumb stupid defensive prideful things I did to contribute to the bullying situation, to get people so hurt and pissed.

Forgive me for all the wrong things I did that caused the situation.

Forgive me for all the times my thoughts or actions hurt people, or hurt myself, or offended "Free Will is Goddess Law" dharma.

Please Goddess make it right, as Goddess wills.

Thank you very much!




Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Vyana on Mar 22, 2007, 09:41:46 PM
Do you know if Tad James has written about this?



Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Mystress on Mar 22, 2007, 10:26:50 PM
  Yes. He is an NLP guy so his version looks a little more like time line therapy or a higher self negotiation, but either way, forgiveness is the key.

http://www.ancienthuna.com/ho-oponopono.htm

: Do you know if Tad James has written about this?





Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: juergen on Mar 23, 2007, 08:56:43 AM
Yes, the asshole is the boss, quite usually.

What lies beneath this is, a lack of language. Language and paradigms, that would allow to kick the asshole out of position: a form of societal   progress. A culture of asshole bashing without the attitude of destroying, that has been so common for the moron herself. Finally we cannot only deal with ourselves.
But who is "ourselves"?
Aren't we all One on a certain level?
Do not adults act on behalf of kids, humans on behalf of animals, sane people on behalf of the insane? In these cases, isn't there consens 'incorporated'? - Implicit?
Then still the honopono thing might be the more elegant  one; once you can give yourself a kick to give up concerns and another kick enabling the magick to do it :)
Is the first approach that shitty? Maybe impractible, cause one won't succeed the necessary alignment among "the other morons(including myself)".

While reservations against honopono fade, it only remains to give myself a kick and say once more thank You Mystress!

j

:
: Folks,

: I have a little annoyance that challenges my usually harmonic existence.

: My problem is that I have a boss who seems to project onto everybody every issue about himself.

: It%rsquos seems like he has chosen me to be some kind of a scapegoat. I think it%rsquos because of jealousy, fear and admiration + a lot of projections.

: Anyway, this boss keeps blaming me for stuff which is clearly his own responsibility to handle. He behaves like a spoiled child around me, and even the other managers have said to me that they think he%rsquos a moron.

: And then we get all of this power game stuff, and I don%rsquot want to be a engage in that.

: I don%rsquot know how to cope with this.

: I do know that it's a gift from Goddess, but this is very well wrapped in shit.

:
: Insights are welcome!

:
: Eddie





Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: juergen on Mar 23, 2007, 10:02:56 AM
Very good eye, Vyana!

It's like hitler and the herrings;

From herrings it is told, they choose the most idiotic one as their leader, favorably the one herring with the most striking antics.
The hitler-team had a lot psychologic insights(kundalini-awakened?)to use these patterns who are similar for humans: hitlers insane looking poses are all performance or nearly completely, since from his early times he had these inclinations as well(fits of temper); he was picked up by influencial circles then, and somewhat straightened out, so that he wouldn't collapse under his own anger-attacks during public speech(smile).
Still he kept lots of this and it was fashioned by experts to build the by far most loved German of all times.
So it's true, to have such a boss, there must be guilt in the nation, in the subordinates or whatever; probably a collective guilt accumulated in a countries genes, like it is said that god's curse passes down to lots of(1000?) generations.
Then, remembering kids' fits, it's always the same picture: you can replace hitler for the kid and the kid for hitler; gave me always bursts of laughter, so i had never problems with infamous kids. For a time we had neighbours kids me and my ex, often visiting us; their mother was always puzzled how well they behaved, especially the younger one: She could be a hitler on 12 cylinders with Her family but She was also very creative, well a darling :)

There are recordings of SuperNanny's work aired in tv and again the same picture, always: parents on the verge to kicking misbehaving kid to the asylum, only to receive Katja's standard broadside: normal kid, incompetent parents, blush.

We are the parents of the crap of the world!
We are the crap, as long as we are directed by it.

juergen.


: It might just be a limiting belief, but to me it seems that stuff related to bullying is persistent and difficult to surrender. I am practicing sat kriya from kundalini-yoga in an attempt to clean out the stuff from my lower chakras that makes me create this. An insight that has come up several times the last few months is that bullying is basically a childish reaction. It is the way immature people react to people they perceive as more mature. It is as a child attacking a grown-up. Somehow the bully (child) thinks that it is all the targets (the grow-ups) fault, just because he/she is grown up. And basically this might be true. Somehow the target should be mature and skilled enough to handle the situation and get the bully back to his senses %ndash like a grown-up making a child understand that what the child is doing is wrong.

: :
: : Hey Eddie:

: :    Welcome to my world. People have been acting like that towards me, since I was 5 years old. Eventually you learn to accept it, but sometimes it still hurts.

: :   Remember that chat a few weeks ago? You said it was me doing it, I say the same to Vyana.

: :  I've been working on an essay on the topic. Channelling isights for others, I get to read them for myself, too.
: :    
: :   What has come up, is this:
: : http://www.hooponopono.org

: :   Give a try, tell me how it goes... Blessings..

: : :
: : : Folks,

: : : I have a little annoyance that challenges my usually harmonic existence.

: : : My problem is that I have a boss who seems to project onto everybody every issue about himself.

: : : It%rsquos seems like he has chosen me to be some kind of a scapegoat. I think it%rsquos because of jealousy, fear and admiration + a lot of projections.

: : : Anyway, this boss keeps blaming me for stuff which is clearly his own responsibility to handle. He behaves like a spoiled child around me, and even the other managers have said to me that they think he%rsquos a moron.

: : : And then we get all of this power game stuff, and I don%rsquot want to be a engage in that.

: : : I don%rsquot know how to cope with this.

: : : I do know that it's a gift from Goddess, but this is very well wrapped in shit.

: : :
: : : Insights are welcome!

: : :
: : : Eddie






Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: edward on Mar 24, 2007, 04:16:06 PM
Mystress,

I asked one of my colleagues to observe me during a meeting. It was a meeting about vision, strategies and other corporate blah-blah-blah. After the meeting she told me that she noticed that when I talked to my boss, and he didn%rsquot understand me, I started talking over his head. I talked to him like an adult talking to a child. So, what happens is that he does not catch my message because he%rsquos not capable of it and that he gets frustrated because he gets treated like a child. And people behave in the way they get treated as.

When I started doing this hooponopono thing I had problems accepting fully that I%rsquom 100% responsible. Even though, at a deeper level, I know that I%rsquom 100% responsible. Anyway, for starters, I accept that I attract that which occurs. A little bit easier for the ego to accept.

When I started the internal forgiving process %ndash suddenly my state changed.

The day after I had a little chat with him - it was like magic. He said to me that we talk different languages, and this is where the communication problems occur. I said to him that because of this, both get frustrated and we end up in a power game. Accuser and victim. Anyway, after the chat both were a little bit sentimental, and were like %ldquolet%rsquos be friends again%rdquo. Very sweet, hehe.

He is stupid though, with that I mean that he has lack of social understanding and competence.

When I look back; I%rsquove always been blessed with submissive bosses. I%rsquom used to get things the way I want. I know I can be difficult to give orders or feedback to, I%rsquom quite authoritative, but don%rsquot approve authorities myself. If a person in a work-environment fall in the trap of saying something critical or something which I don%rsquot approve, it usually ends up me showing off my tyrannical and sadistic sides. This behaviour only applies when interacting with other men, never women, at work.

So, OK, I can be a vicious bitch sometimes, and that is what I get reflected back.

Other things I%rsquove learned from this: Confrontation rarely has any positive long time effect. In a confrontation we get this victim/abuser game, and it leaves the parties in a destructive situation. Instead one must focus on positive, wise and clever communication. One must also accept that some people are stupid, and do not have the ability to understand whatever one tries to communicate.

It is not that a person does not want to understand, but rather it is that the person is not capable of understanding.

Now I%rsquom gonna dive deeper into this hooponopono stuff. Very magical, very effective!


Thank you Mystress, Juergen, Vyana and Pete!


Edward

: Hey Eddie:

:    Welcome to my world. People have been acting like that towards me, since I was 5 years old. Eventually you learn to accept it, but sometimes it still hurts.

:   Remember that chat a few weeks ago? You said it was me doing it, I say the same to Vyana.

:  I've been working on an essay on the topic. Channelling isights for others, I get to read them for myself, too.
:    
:   What has come up, is this:
: http://www.hooponopono.org

:   Give a try, tell me how it goes... Blessings..





Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: juergen on Mar 27, 2007, 07:11:51 AM
I'm wondering about the bitch in us males, and if it is a reflection of the Divine beloved into consciousness, where She simply don't belong. Mystress coined the term "making Goddess your sock puppet", and this might express as male bitchieness. Having Her so close before the nose how can we get to see Her, find Her?
I'm having a bitch side as well and we both would be the scream at a common working place..., but what use is it?
One thing you could try is, learning from your stupid boss, what you can get from him.

smiles,

juergen.


: Mystress,

: I asked one of my colleagues to observe me during a meeting. It was a meeting about vision, strategies and other corporate blah-blah-blah. After the meeting she told me that she noticed that when I talked to my boss, and he didn%rsquot understand me, I started talking over his head. I talked to him like an adult talking to a child. So, what happens is that he does not catch my message because he%rsquos not capable of it and that he gets frustrated because he gets treated like a child. And people behave in the way they get treated as.

: When I started doing this hooponopono thing I had problems accepting fully that I%rsquom 100% responsible. Even though, at a deeper level, I know that I%rsquom 100% responsible. Anyway, for starters, I accept that I attract that which occurs. A little bit easier for the ego to accept.

: When I started the internal forgiving process %ndash suddenly my state changed.

: The day after I had a little chat with him - it was like magic. He said to me that we talk different languages, and this is where the communication problems occur. I said to him that because of this, both get frustrated and we end up in a power game. Accuser and victim. Anyway, after the chat both were a little bit sentimental, and were like %ldquolet%rsquos be friends again%rdquo. Very sweet, hehe.

: He is stupid though, with that I mean that he has lack of social understanding and competence.

: When I look back; I%rsquove always been blessed with submissive bosses. I%rsquom used to get things the way I want. I know I can be difficult to give orders or feedback to, I%rsquom quite authoritative, but don%rsquot approve authorities myself. If a person in a work-environment fall in the trap of saying something critical or something which I don%rsquot approve, it usually ends up me showing off my tyrannical and sadistic sides. This behaviour only applies when interacting with other men, never women, at work.

: So, OK, I can be a vicious bitch sometimes, and that is what I get reflected back.

: Other things I%rsquove learned from this: Confrontation rarely has any positive long time effect. In a confrontation we get this victim/abuser game, and it leaves the parties in a destructive situation. Instead one must focus on positive, wise and clever communication. One must also accept that some people are stupid, and do not have the ability to understand whatever one tries to communicate.

: It is not that a person does not want to understand, but rather it is that the person is not capable of understanding.

: Now I%rsquom gonna dive deeper into this hooponopono stuff. Very magical, very effective!

:
: Thank you Mystress, Juergen, Vyana and Pete!

:
: Edward

: : Hey Eddie:

: :    Welcome to my world. People have been acting like that towards me, since I was 5 years old. Eventually you learn to accept it, but sometimes it still hurts.

: :   Remember that chat a few weeks ago? You said it was me doing it, I say the same to Vyana.

: :  I've been working on an essay on the topic. Channelling isights for others, I get to read them for myself, too.
: :    
: :   What has come up, is this:
: : http://www.hooponopono.org

: :   Give a try, tell me how it goes... Blessings..





Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Vyana on Mar 27, 2007, 08:39:33 PM
You will find, that once you accept responsibility and start asking forgiveness, a lot of wayward guilt feelings will show up.

If you suffer from stress disease caused by bullying, you already have hem. Basically your main problem is that you feel guilty for everything and that these feelings keep turning up all the time to interfere with whatever you do. This is what bullying is all about; projecting guilt on a target, manipulating the target to subconsciously accept it.

Once more than 15 years ago I planned to present a draft chapter of a book at a seminar. A few weeks before the event, I visited my manager and asked for his permission and advice. Primarily I wanted him to approve to sending invitations to a list of private companies outside of our organization. He said he thought that was a very good idea, but that I should not be too disappointed if nobody turned up. That had happened before. So I sent those invitations. On the day of the event, my manager asked me to come by his office a few minutes before the event. So I did. He was furious, barked at me and accused me of having invited too many people. When we went into the conference room (which was crowded) he was smiling, while I was in a state of shock and confusion. I felt as if I had just murdered the prime minister and was on my way to trail to get the punishment I deserved. And I still have these same feelings in my body. They don%rsquot show up, they are there often enough for me not to forget about them. I can get away from them by concentrating on other things, but they are still there. And so are a lot of similar feelings from other similar events.

Successful therapy is basically about getting rid of all these irrational feelings of guilt and get your subconscious to understand that it was not your fault. The yogic way is to get them up, experience them in full and then let go of them. NLP Time line therapy is similar, although at least in theory it is possible to disconnect the anchor at the subconscious level without getting the feelings up. At my last yogic therapy session my therapist identified an event from my childhood, which I cannot remember. At that event I was hurt in an accident and afterwards my friends were very helpful and acted very nice and caring. My therapist suggested that this memory was false and created by my subconscious as part of the healing process. In reality they were probably mean and harassed me after the accident. But my subconscious changed history to heal the emotional wound. And this was done without me knowing anything consciously about it.




Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Vyana on Mar 28, 2007, 12:14:57 AM
I have a pattern that I suppose is typical for bullied people. I tend to feel responsible for things that go wrong, somehow I attract blame from others and my reaction to it is to feel guilty even if there can be exactly no reason for me to. The root of it is that when bullies treat me as if I was guilty of something horrible, they fool my subconscious to believe that I am. Thus I end up feeling like a villain in spite of the fact that I am in most cases extremely anxious and conscious of what I do to avoid harm. When I try to protest against false accusations I only get accused of being troublesome. It is as if it is impossible for me to defend myself. People can invent the craziest and most unbelievable stories that nobody would listen to for a second if they were about somebody else and still other people believe them when they are about me. Therefore I am generally used as a scapegoat.

This is not a new observation. I have been aware of this pattern at least since my early teens. For many years I just thought that there was something wrong with me, which I did not understand and which made people treat me like they did. When I was a kid and up until after my teens I accepted full responsibility for what happened. I was convinced there was something very wrong with me and tried to figure out what it was. The result was that I got extremely anxious and was tortured by incredible feelings of guilt for the most trivial events where I had done something that I thought was maybe wrong.

Then, eventually I started to wonder about what actually happened, analyzed the situations and understood that it was all lies and false accusations. Thus, I understood that it was not me. This gave me some relief and made it possible for me to gain enough self confidence to live a normal life and have success in my professional career. However, being aware of what was going on %ndash I was not responsible for the harassment and did not deserve it, but was only unable to defend myself from it %ndash was an enormous relief. But it did not help me to stop the bullying when it started at my workplace. Reading stuff by Leymann and Field, which made me fully understand the behavior pattern at the bully side that created the situation in the first place (1. harass the target to make him/feel guilty, 2. make friends with influential people, act as concerned an report the targets reaction to the harassment as if it came out of the blue. 3. Repeat (1) and (2) over and over again), was also a relief. But the understanding did not stop the bullying.

Obviously it does not solve the problem to be aware of the psychological patterns and wanting to get out of them (and, of course, trying all ways you could think of to accomplish that). The conscious mind can not decide how the subconscious mind should react. Something else is needed. This method of assuming full responsibility and asking for forgiveness basically takes me back to where I started. Then it was a method of self-destruction. I hope it will work better this time.




Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Mystress on Mar 29, 2007, 09:16:26 PM
 This method of assuming full responsibility and asking for forgiveness basically takes me back to where I started. Then it was a method of self-destruction. I hope it will work better this time.

So what you are telling me, is you wrote these posts defending your victimhood instead of actually trying the ho'oponopono?
  Interesting...





Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Vyana on Mar 29, 2007, 10:30:47 PM
No, that is not true. I am trying it. I wrote these posts to deal with my fear to end up at the same place where a similar approach took me before, or where so many bullied people have been taken by similar methods when used by incompetent therapists. I also wrote them as a first attempt to define the difference between a method of assuming powerful responsibility that releases the karma and a method of assuming helpless responsibility that buries you deeper in it.  



Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Mystress on Mar 30, 2007, 10:41:32 AM
  Sometimes it is very hard to follow you, your posts require translation via esp. What I glean from it is usually interesting though, and your energy is joyous.

: Very good eye, Vyana!

: It's like hitler and the herrings;

: From herrings it is told, they choose the most idiotic one as their leader, favorably the one herring with the most striking antics.

That makes an odd sort of sense, since they communicate by farting... Evidence Goddess has a sense of humour.

: The hitler-team had a lot psychologic insights(kundalini-awakened?)to use these patterns who are similar for humans: hitlers insane looking poses are all performance or nearly completely, since from his early times he had these inclinations as well(fits of temper); he was picked up by influencial circles then, and somewhat straightened out, so that he wouldn't collapse under his own anger-attacks during public speech(smile).
: Still he kept lots of this and it was fashioned by experts to build the by far most loved German of all times.

Mick Jagger studied films of Hitler to learn his moves onstage.

 In the course of my Shaman training, I was taught more than anyone needs to know, about how the German Iluminati turned a shell shocked shizophrenic into the charismatic Aryan Messiah. I was shown the contents of that room, so I would know not to stumble in there, following my curiosity.  
 Some magics, are far too dangerous to teach.

: There are recordings of SuperNanny's work aired in tv and again the same picture, always: parents on the verge to kicking misbehaving kid to the asylum, only to receive Katja's standard broadside: normal kid, incompetent parents, blush.

That show makes me glad to be childless! What you say is true, though. As a child, I quickly learned not to ask my parents for help if I had a problem, because they were overwhelmed with their own problems and their defense would be to blame me for having a problem. They did not know about ADD, I did not try to tell them anything about the paranormal experiences I was trying to deal with... they just thought I was a bad kid.  

: We are the parents of the crap of the world!
: We are the crap, as long as we are directed by it.

: juergen.

 I find value in transactional analysis, which states that people relate to each other on one of three ways:
child to child
child to adult (parent)
adult to adult.

Add the consideration: that to a child, parents are God. The projection of responsibility is making someone else be God for you. Karma dump, because karma follows responsibility.

 The frustrating thing, we have no control over how someone chooses to see us. If someone decides to project "child" onto you, there is not a thing you can do about it, except be patient and persistently adult, try to rise above it, but the typical unconscious reflex is to act out as a really rotten child so they get run ragged and give up trying to parent you.

 You see the phenomena particularly on some email list type communities; I was on some soap making lists where they actually referred to the moderator as "list mom" and did not understand why I thought that a very bad idea. The scenes there were predictable, overcontrolling bad parent and kids acting out, that is, adults behaving like bad children because they are trying to get out from under a projection of child coming from the list owner.

 Some lists, as soon as there is a hint of discord you get the self appointed kindergarden teachers scolding people for disagreeing, projecting child onto them... which usually has the effect of shutting down any potential for civilized adult-to-adult conflict resolution and making everyone act even more childish.

 Then of course you get people who don't want to be responsible adults, taking the child role and projecting adult onto you. Giving you responsibility for everything via blame and senseless accusations.  Why do they do that?

Glow, charisma, herd instincts and pecking orders, the one with the most power wins. Charismatic leader gets the vote even if he is a psycho. You may be a completely sub personality who would rather be shoveling up after the elephants than leading the parade but it doesn't matter, if you've got the glow people will look to you to be the responsible one.  

 There is a place, in stories, the wise court jester or mysterious gardener who has no official social status but who knows everyone, and people come to him for counsel.  The wise crone, who leaves leadership to the young and ambitious, and whose eccentricities are forgiven, but whose opinion is worth hearing. The village idiot, the Jester can say anything and be forgiven because they have no social status to lose.  The innocent child who says "the emperor has no clothes" is forgiven, and heard.

Awakened people got a hotline to God, shows up like a glow of neon light over your head saying "dump karma here."  People who don't know how to surrender to Goddess within themselves, give us karma packages to deliver.

 Angel means messenger, and you are the one with the wings therefore  it must be your job to carry prayers, eh?
How people think... and it is usually as unconscious as all the little instinctive body language signalling of pecking orders in human tribal herd interactions.

 Kali's waiter, they hand you a plate of their karma- her lunch, you just carry it from kitchen to Her table and if you do not... Surrender is the imperative of Kundalini and we all get a little bit of the Bohddisattva Waiter gig dumped on us now and then.    

 Karma follows responsibility- so blame is an effective delivery system: blame you for stuff, Scapegoat wicker man karma shit eater.  it is your job to be Fedex for their karma, and if you resist delivery because you don't like how it smells or you think the package is addressed to you, personally, then all hell breaks loose.

Surrender, is the imperative of Kundalini. Surrendering to this phenomena, is hard... it is the hardest thing... if you expect to be able to take your pride with you, and still ascend.  

 Tarot card of Self Realization, is zero- the Holy Fool. Be nothing.
 Laughter, is the nature of Spirit.

 About 1/3 of my europe wardrobe was some variety of clown suit. At the Sweden workshop Sunday, Gustaf could not at first understand why looking at me teaching made him want to laugh. Then he realized it was the black and white striped "wicked witch of the west" long socks I had on under my somber black Priestess attire.

Clown suit! He laughed because he got the joke... the sight gag.

 Laughter is the nature of Spirit. Juergen pegged it.

 It is cheesy and it is true, and I am often too prideful to stoop to it, but as my improv Guru taught me; Happy, low status characters are universally loved. Nastrudin, the Sufi clown is wise and foolish beyond measure.

 A neighbor came across Nastrudin looking for something under a streetlight. He said he had lost his keys in the house... but he was looking for them under the streetlight, because the light was better there.

 Like Charlie Chaplin's tramp, people are not threatened and are not being asked for pity, but can feel superior to a happy low status carachter.  

 In University, we did a scene study where I was to play Cleopatra... and I failed. I could not get "big enough" to be believable as Egypt's Goddess-Queen. It bugged me, and I had to stretch.
 I think I probably attained that goal halfway through my pro-Dom career, but one thing I had natural scary brilliant talent for, was playing happy, low status characters. The power of it frightened me, because it seemed to be like a complete end run around free will. The more humble and pathetic yet happy, the more I pulled the audience into the very palm of my hand like puppet strings.

 I rejected it. I would rather show up an arrogant bitch and leave people free will to love me or hate me with a vengeance of jealousy than stoop to using the formidable weapon of humility... but even so I take a delight in the Sufi clown, the court jester, I am still a commedienne at heart.

A little bit of walking sight gag is protective colouration, it is the wings expressed in style choices, invite laughter instead of fear. Laughter is the nature of Spirit. The tarot card of Self Realization, is the Holy Fool.

 No, you cannot take your pride with you, only your sense of humour. The buddha nature that laughs and weeps at the same time, and in so doing is humbled and exhalted both at once, because to be a vessel of that is both transcendently awesome and unimaginably humbling.

 There is a greater degree of personal integrity of surrender required to rise above the gossip, abuse and noise to do as Goddess wills despite ego image. To not give it the power of your attention, but love and acceptance, alchemy of healing.

It is a huge challenge and a worthy goal. As Richard Bach says "Live, never to be ashamed if anything you say or do, is broadcast around the world... even if what is said, is not true."  

 You have no control over gossip, rumours, or how people choose to see you. You can only be utterly, completely yourself, true to Goddess within you and let that carry you to rise above the normal, childish defensive reactions to an ego threat.

 Be the adult. It is in your world, it is yours, your creation and responsibility. Take responsibility within yourself, for the hurt you see in the world and for the "flaming bag of poo" packages you are given, because what you see is yourself reflected, inevitably.
Then having taken ownership, turn around inside of yourself to be the penitent child before Goddess. Karma follows responsilibility. Pass the buck. To ask forgiveness is to put yourself into the place of humility which is the only power you get.

 Goddess I am sorry for whatever I did to create this flaming bag of poo on my doorstep, I am also sorry I reacted by trying to stamp the fire out and made a bigger mess... please forgive my error, and my resistance. Please repair it, make things right as You know best.


:
: : It might just be a limiting belief, but to me it seems that stuff related to bullying is persistent and difficult to surrender. I am practicing sat kriya from kundalini-yoga in an attempt to clean out the stuff from my lower chakras that makes me create this. An insight that has come up several times the last few months is that bullying is basically a childish reaction. It is the way immature people react to people they perceive as more mature. It is as a child attacking a grown-up. Somehow the bully (child) thinks that it is all the targets (the grow-ups) fault, just because he/she is grown up. And basically this might be true. Somehow the target should be mature and skilled enough to handle the situation and get the bully back to his senses %ndash like a grown-up making a child understand that what the child is doing is wrong.

: : :
: : : Hey Eddie:

: : :    Welcome to my world. People have been acting like that towards me, since I was 5 years old. Eventually you learn to accept it, but sometimes it still hurts.

: : :   Remember that chat a few weeks ago? You said it was me doing it, I say the same to Vyana.

: : :  I've been working on an essay on the topic. Channelling isights for others, I get to read them for myself, too.
: : :    
: : :   What has come up, is this:
: : : http://www.hooponopono.org

: : :   Give a try, tell me how it goes... Blessings..

: : : :
: : : : Folks,

: : : : I have a little annoyance that challenges my usually harmonic existence.

: : : : My problem is that I have a boss who seems to project onto everybody every issue about himself.

: : : : It%rsquos seems like he has chosen me to be some kind of a scapegoat. I think it%rsquos because of jealousy, fear and admiration + a lot of projections.

: : : : Anyway, this boss keeps blaming me for stuff which is clearly his own responsibility to handle. He behaves like a spoiled child around me, and even the other managers have said to me that they think he%rsquos a moron.

: : : : And then we get all of this power game stuff, and I don%rsquot want to be a engage in that.

: : : : I don%rsquot know how to cope with this.

: : : : I do know that it's a gift from Goddess, but this is very well wrapped in shit.

: : : :
: : : : Insights are welcome!

: : : :
: : : : Eddie






Title: Re: How to cope with a moron as a boss.
Post by: Mystress on Mar 31, 2007, 07:54:12 PM
Ok, thank you for clarifying. Blessings!