The Tea Room

Sharing, Surrender and Support. => Time => Topic started by: Vyana on Dec 04, 2005, 11:55:30 PM

Title: Karma
Post by: Vyana on Dec 04, 2005, 11:55:30 PM
I have a theory which is most likely wrong (my heart is not interested, and I would be if it was beneficial for my spiritual growth). Still, if it was true, it would certainly explain one or two things which I have problems understanding. Therefore I would like to share it to se what might become of it. The theory involves these assumptions (which seam to be contrary to what is most often assumed):

(1) Karma is not created by suppressed emotions, but is a result of our actions and thoughts.

(2) Karma is %ldquoour programming%rdquo which makes us react in an inadequate way to responses, which makes us unable to perceive all that is to be perceived and thus makes us suppress feelings and experiences.

(3) We all have karma which forms our lives.

(4) We all have suppressed emotions. Most of them do however not, as far as we are aware of, normally bother us at an emotional level. They might however still be apparent, e.g. from health problems of all kinds.

(5) The only suppressed emotions that bother us at an emotional level are those which are about to come up and be released. Thus, when we feel bad, it is not because we have suppressed emotions, but because some suppressed emotions are in the process of coming up and being released.

(6) Excessive intellectual activity, worrying etc, which are often considered as the source of psychological problems are actually a mechanism through which suppressed emotional material is collected from the unconscious, brought up to the conscious level and released. (However, you might get caught in the process.)

(7) When we are not awake the process of releasing suppressed emotions is not normally very intense, but that can happen sometimes, e.g. if we get overwhelmed by stress.

(8) When we are awake, there is a continually ongoing rather strong process of releasing suppressed emotions, which can make life rather uncomfortable from time to time.

(9) Psychotherapy for a person who is not awake can take two forms: putting an end to the process of releasing some suppressed emotions or helping that process. When some suppressed emotions are released the person might feel much better and might not be bothered by more upcoming suppressed emotions for a long period of time.

(10) Psychotherapy for a person who is awake can only take one form: helping the process of releasing the suppressed emotions. When some suppressed emotions are released the person might feel much better for a period of time, but rather soon he is once more bothered from more upcoming suppressed emotions.




Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Mystress on Dec 08, 2005, 03:24:49 AM
: I have a theory which is most likely wrong (my heart is not interested, and I would be if it was beneficial for my spiritual growth).

Heh, yes this is a little too much thinking... you have been hiding out in your head again.

:Still, if it was true, it would certainly explain one or two things which I have problems understanding. Therefore I would like to share it to se what might become of it. The theory involves these assumptions (which seam to be contrary to what is most often assumed):

: (1) Karma is not created by suppressed emotions, but is a result of our actions and thoughts.

Well, yes and no. The emotions are repressed because we made a decision to repress them. Free Will is Goddess' law. Free Will produces karma. Ego is a product of our decisions, which lead to our actions and results.

: (2) Karma is %ldquoour programming%rdquo which makes us react in an inadequate way to responses, which makes us unable to perceive all that is to be perceived and thus makes us suppress feelings and experiences.

Yeah, that works. Feels incomplete.

 Nobody created your ego, but you. Culture told you stuff that wasn't true, but believing it was a choice of free will. All the decisions you made about who you wanted to, or thought you had to be, and what you chose to believe. How you chose to interpret the meaning of events.
 Al those individual free will decisions together, is your ego. It is a sand castle made by a child, not really fit to live in so Kundalini is the ocean wave to melt it away.

: (3) We all have karma which forms our lives.

Yes.

: (4) We all have suppressed emotions. Most of them do however not, as far as we are aware of, normally bother us at an emotional level. They might however still be apparent, e.g. from health problems of all kinds.

Karma, on a basic level, can be felt as tension in the body. The tension affects the health of the body, but also the mind.

: (5) The only suppressed emotions that bother us at an emotional level are those which are about to come up and be released. Thus, when we feel bad, it is not because we have suppressed emotions, but because some suppressed emotions are in the process of coming up and being released.

That is very accurate. Karma keeps repeating itself, getting bigger until it is resolved and released. If it comes up, it comes up asking to be released.

: (6) Excessive intellectual activity, worrying etc, which are often considered as the source of psychological problems are actually a mechanism through which suppressed emotional material is collected from the unconscious, brought up to the conscious level and released. (However, you might get caught in the process.)

I think, if it is excessive then you ARE caught in the process. Worrying is dysfunctional.

: (7) When we are not awake the process of releasing suppressed emotions is not normally very intense, but that can happen sometimes, e.g. if we get overwhelmed by stress.

Hmm.. plenty of unawakened people have all kinds of peak experiences. Peak experiences are not always born of stress. They can be born of intensity of happiness, fulfillment, pleasure, etc.

: (8) When we are awake, there is a continually ongoing rather strong process of releasing suppressed emotions, which can make life rather uncomfortable from time to time.

Absolutely. Uncomfortable ranging to hazardous to deadly.

: (9) Psychotherapy for a person who is not awake can take two forms: putting an end to the process of releasing some suppressed emotions or helping that process. When some suppressed emotions are released the person might feel much better and might not be bothered by more upcoming suppressed emotions for a long period of time.

I would say that successful psychotherapy always involves releasing or resolving repressed emotions. Not all psychotherapy is successful.

A psychology student on the K-list asked about the "Shaktipat and psychosis" essay I posted there and to the FSTmembers list. I'll post the essay and my response to her as a new thead here. I think your intellectual self would enjoy a book I recommended to her, called "Focusing." My karma clearing exercise "Naming the Dragon" is based on it.  

: (10) Psychotherapy for a person who is awake can only take one form: helping the process of releasing the suppressed emotions. When some suppressed emotions are released the person might feel much better for a period of time, but rather soon he is once more bothered from more upcoming suppressed emotions.

Yeah, pretty much. K doesn't let up for very long, most of the time. Fortunately it has mind blowingly blissful bits now and then, to keep you going till the bliss totally outweighs the cranky.

 Ya know, when I look for your depression I still see anger. Sort of a sullen thing, pissed at Goddess and yourself both, for disappointment. You thought enlightenment would be quicker and more fun than what you are getting.

 Peace, happiness, these things are chosen, and chosen persistently no matter what, until they are normal, habitual. Then the champagne bubbles of bliss rising up inside of you become normal.

 I had a bitch of a day... I tried to get too much done in the morning, packing things up for shipping long overdue. That made me late for the physiotherapist which in turn made me late for the dentist. Parking in a hurry at the dentist, I plugged the meter with all my change, and failed to notice the sign saying my car would be towed 30 minutes later at the start of rush hour, and so it was. As I walked out the door of the dentist and saw the street empty of parked cars I knew mine would be gone too. I also realized I had forgotten the keys to my friend's house where I was hosting a Vancouver Kundalini Support meeting tonight. I took a taxi to go to the impound lot to get my car, ($60.) fortunately my friend called me back as I got there and told me I could go to North Van where he was working and get his spare keys... which seemed shorter, but was really not much less driving, and worse traffic than it would have been to go home and get them. It turned out, his new room mate was home so I fetched the keys for nothing. Someone waved at a stoplight to tell me the tail lights on my car have gone out. The dashboard lights went out a few weeks ago, and are frying the new fuses. At the meeting, I realized I forgot to put a bubble spell on my car's electronics. I wrapped the meeting up a little early, because I'm queasy and my face hurts from the dentist. I did not get the packages mailed, and they are the reason I was late getting started in the first place. That and my ADD brain that made me think I had time in the morning, to get them wrapped.

 That is my day, and it has entertained me to tell the tale and release it in this space.. but aside from telling it, it is not on my mind. I am focused on being happy to be home, and the pleasure of writing.